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Ok, i have played war of the ring about 4-5 times a few years ago and now me and 3 mates have decided to take the plunge.

I ran an angmar in WOTR and generally love evil, so i have decided to go with Mordor. we are going to do an escalation starting at 250 and going up every 2 months by 250 up 750 initially. Whether we go higher will depend on the future.

Anywho, i have read up on a few things and decided on this 750 list. any thoughts/opinions/suggestions/tactics will be hugely appreciated.

Heros
The Knight of Umbar- Fellbeast- 170
The Dark Marshall- 120
Black Guard Captain- 60

Warbands
17 Black Guard- Banner- 229
1 Castellan of Dol Guldur- Morgal Blade- 45
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Total- 749

General theory is a big block of tough troops down 1 side and 2 big monsters down the other. Any good?

As i said any thoughts at all would be great.

How are the warbands divided?You can't have more then 12 in a warband if its one warband per column.

 Da krimson barun wrote:
How are the warbands divided?You can't have more then 12 in a warband if its one warband per column.

This is huge as deployment is random

 Da krimson barun wrote:
How are the warbands divided?You can't have more then 12 in a warband if its one warband per column.

Is that how it works? i was told it was 12 warriors for every hero. so having 3 heros allowed 36 warriors?

 mixer86 wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:
How are the warbands divided?You can't have more then 12 in a warband if its one warband per column.

Is that how it works? i was told it was 12 warriors for every hero. so having 3 heros allowed 36 warriors?

yes but when you deploy all 12 warriors that follow the hero they are attached to must deploy within 6" of that character and with deployment being random it makes a big deal which warband has what in it

Ok, apologies guys, mis-understood. heres my second crack at it, hopefully this is legal and makes more sense.

Hero 1
The Knight of Umbar- Fell beast- 170
Warband 1
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Hero 2
The Dark Marshall- horse- 130
Warband 2
6 Morgul Knights- 120

Hero 3
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband 3
10 Black Guard- Banner- 145

Total- 750

Hows this?

 mixer86 wrote:
Ok, apologies guys, mis-understood. heres my second crack at it, hopefully this is legal and makes more sense.

Hero 1
The Knight of Umbar- Fell beast- 170
Warband 1
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Hero 2
The Dark Marshall- horse- 130
Warband 2
6 Morgul Knights- 120

Hero 3
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband 3
10 Black Guard- Banner- 145

Total- 750

Hows this?

Anyone?

While I do not exclusively play Mordor, I do play against them quite a lot. They are the most resourceful faction in middle earth, they have everything from cheap hordes to small elite troops and big power house mosters, their heroes are no pushover either, from support to offence they can do it all for reasonable cheap points.

About your list, I think you need more numbers and you have no spear support. You will need the spears to help win the fights. The Black Guard are one of the most potent units available to Mordor possible the entire game, so yea keep them. I would otherwise cut down on the Morgul Knights to save points I feel they are to expensive for what you get. Also I do not think you need two wraiths, one will be sufficient enough to do its job.

Below is a list that my friend plays at 750 and it is very potent. The dark Marshall acts as a banner and also neutralises enemy heroes with foul magic, while the Black Guard supported by cheap spear Orcs win the fights and kill most enemies with their high of strength 5. He also includes the Mouth of Sauron for some additional magic support and a reliable combat hero. There is also 2 Morgul Knights to accompany him and the Great Beast in case they get a crap deployment. The list below has everything you will need in a battle, some decent speed, good support magic, high fight, high strength, high defence. It also has more numbers which your previous list was lacking and lots more might for those crucial Heroic actions.

 mixer86 wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:

Hero 1
The Dark Marshall - 120
Warband 1
5 Black Guard - 60
5 Orcs - Spears - 30

Hero 2
Black Guard Captain - 60
Warband 2
5 Black Guard - 60
5 Orcs - Spears - 30

Hero 3
Black Guard Captain - 60
Warband 3
5 Black Guard - 60
5 Orcs - Spears - 30

Hero 4
Mouth of Sauron - Armoured Horse - 75
Warband 4
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth - 125
2 Morgul Knights - 40

7 might, 37 models ,break point 19

Total- 750

Thanks for the reply.

i will admit i am no expert on this so i am a real newbie.

I will admit i wasn't convinced that i needed 2 wraiths, i do however definitely want a fell beast, question is which wraith to take? i see the dark marshall as an army buffer who won't be ideal on the fell beast i'm guessing whereas the knight of umbar is better suited? Or can you recommend another wraith better suited?

Are Morgul knights really that bad? if so thats a real shame because i think they are the best looking cavalry models out there?!

What are your thoughts on mixing Black guard with Morannon Orcs or something cheap and tough along those lines?

TBH I think the Witch King with his Crown of Morgul is the best wraith to have if you really want to go down the Fell beast route.

Morgul Knights are really to many points for what they bring, if they were Strength 4 then they might be worth it. I will agree that they have some fine models tho.

You could go with Morannon Orcs but I just do not see where you can get the points from, especially if you are going to run a named Wraith with monstrous mount.

Ok so Morgul knights aren't great.

What about this then:

Hero
Witch King- Crown, Fell beast- 230
Warband
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
7 Black Guard- 84
Mordor Troll- 100

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
5 Black Guard- 60
5 Morannon Orcs- 30

Total- 749

not overly sold on normal orcs, are there any nasty choices that aren't black guard?

Thanks for all the help so far. please keep it coming.

I think it is starting to look better you really need spear support on the Morannon Orcs to help swing the fights in your favour. Also the troll is not needed, you have a Fell Beast and the Great Beast which should be sufficient enough and compliment the army.

Below is a revised list of the one above with some minor tweaks, I hope you don't mind. Its still fairly average model count but has a hell of a high defence and is very durable. The other option I would like to suggest is maybe swapping a Black Guard Captain for a Orc Task Master, he has a little less killing power but he can buff your other heroes and potentially allow them free might usage every time they expend might points for Heroic actions and such.

Hero
Witch King- Crown, Fell beast- 230
Warband
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
7 Black Guard- 84
7 Morannon Orcs- x7 Spears, x7 Shields- 63

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
6 Black Guard- 72
6 Morannon Orcs- x6 Spears, x6 Shields- 54

Total- 748

7 Might, 30 Models, Break Point 15

 GimlisonofGloin wrote:
I think it is starting to look better you really need spear support on the Morannon Orcs to help swing the fights in your favour. Also the troll is not needed, you have a Fell Beast and the Great Beast which should be sufficient enough and compliment the army.

Below is a revised list of the one above with some minor tweaks, I hope you don't mind. Its still fairly average model count but has a hell of a high defence and is very durable. The other option I would like to suggest is maybe swapping a Black Guard Captain for a Orc Task Master, he has a little less killing power but he can buff your other heroes and potentially allow them free might usage every time they expend might points for Heroic actions and such.

Hero
Witch King- Crown, Fell beast- 230
Warband
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
7 Black Guard- 84
7 Morannon Orcs- x7 Spears, x7 Shields- 63

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
6 Black Guard- 72
6 Morannon Orcs- x6 Spears, x6 Shields- 54

Total- 748

7 Might, 30 Models, Break Point 15

i like this except for 1 thing the second warband has 14 models in it, can only have 12 can't i?


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What about this as a compromise?

Hero
The Witch King- Crown, Fell Beast- 230
Warband
The Great Beast of Gorgoroth- 125
Castellan of Dol Guldur- Morgul Blade- 45

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
5 Black Guard- 60
6 Morannon Orcs- Spears and Shields- 54

Hero
Black Guard Captain- 60
Warband
5 Black Guard- 60
6 Morannon Orcs- Spears and Shields- 54

Total= 748

Might- 7 Models- 27 Break Point- 14

Ah yes ooops my bad.

The above list is much better, its got roughly the same combat potential as the previous with the added bonus of the Castellan who can nuke any one enemy hero.Just keep him hidden or he might become a easy target for bows and fast models such as cavalry. How ever with a D7 they should shrug of most damage.

Thanks for the Feedback, i think that is probably going to be my Mordor List.

Could you look at my other list? the Hobbit Evil list and see what you think?

It will be one of either mordor or that list that i decide to do.

Thanks.