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Hey guys, I've recently ran into two situations where I wasn't sure how to proceed.

First case is this: I was using a Mantle of the Laughing God Autarch and a unit of Shining Spears to assault a unit of WS bikers. I entered first with the Autarch to absorb Overwatch, then with SS. The Sergeant challenged my Autarch and I wanted to accept with my Exarch from a different unit, but in the same combat. My opponent disagreed and since I wasn't sure, I conceded.

So the questions is: If I charge with two different squads into the same combat, can I accept challenges with any character that is participating? Or put in other words, are challenges issued to the enemy models in that combat or specific squads in that combat?

Second case was in the same game. He had a Chapter Master call down Orbital Bombardment on my unit of Shining Spears that were hugging the table edge. Half of his blast marker was outside of the table, but the hole was over the model, so on the table. Can he do that?

Thanks in advance!

The challenge one is quite explicitly answered in the Challenge part of the rules, namely the accepting part. You may pick a character from one of your involved squads to accept.
If the central hole scatters off the table the shot is lost (blast special rule). If it's not off, the shot is valid.

Unsure on Challenges, despite Bobb Marley saying it's clear (I don't think it is in the case of multiple units)

For the blast marker however, the only mention of the blast marker being off the table (partially) is in scatter, where if the hole is off the table it's a complete miss.

The requirements given for placing the blast marker are that the center be entirely over the base of a model that is visible to the firer and within range of the firing models weapon.

I'd say that was legit, wether he placed it there or it scattered there.

It is entirely clear. An eligible character can accept, and there is nothing allowing the challengING player to state the unit they are challenging 0- they are challenging your side, not any one model or unit.

Great, that's why I wanted to know. Thanks for the replies!

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
The challenge one is quite explicitly answered in the Challenge part of the rules, namely the accepting part. You may pick a character from one of your involved squads to accept..

A slight adendum there... you pick an engaged character from one of your involved squads to accept.

The more squads involved in the combat, the more chance there is that some of your characters aren't engaged at the time challenges are declared...

 insaniak wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
The challenge one is quite explicitly answered in the Challenge part of the rules, namely the accepting part. You may pick a character from one of your involved squads to accept..

A slight adendum there... you pick an engaged character from one of your involved squads to accept.

The more squads involved in the combat, the more chance there is that some of your characters aren't engaged at the time challenges are declared...

This is really the crux of the rule. A good commander will make sure to have his characters engaged or not engaged depending on init steps and if he wants to be challenged.