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I thought it was pretty clear in the previous 'nid book that GK won that rules-battle. Tonight I played a game and we decided that again GK would have precedence. I'd like to make sure, though, that I'm not missing anything, since the rule's been reworded.

If a Mawloc Deep Strikes onto a unit protected by Warp Quake, does he get to place his blast before he mishaps? (He WILL mishap, it's just a question of whether or not the GK unit will take hits.)

A Mawloc deep striking onto a Land Raider is guaranteed to mishap but still gets its templates, so I would assume yes.

EDIT: After reading the Warp Quake entry I see nothing preventing the Mawloc from resolving Terror from the Deep as normal.

TftD applies before the model can mishap, warp quake or not, as the model does not arrive until after you resolve the templates.

So if it kills all the models it doesn't mishap?

If it doesn't kill enough models it Mishaps (TftD)
If it kills all of them, (assuming warp quake doesn't go away if the librarian is killed or he is in a different unit nearby), it still Mishaps, because of Warpquake

Librarian can't cast warp quake - just strikes and interceptors. I'd assume it's no longer in play if the originating source is gone.

If memory serves, Warpquake is a bubble from the model. If there's no model, then there's no bubble.

The blast attacks are resolved before the model hits the table, so I would agree, if you can kill the whole unit with TFTD, and there's no othe runit Quaking nearby, then yes, safe landing...

Indeed, when the model arrives you measure to see if warp quake is in range. No models no quake....

Is there an exception to normal Deep Strike resolution when the Mawloc comes into play? I did not see such an exception in the new Nid rules. This means that the Mawloc must be placed on the table before replacing him with the blast plate, thus triggering Warp Quake BEFORE the hits are generated.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Is there an exception to normal Deep Strike resolution when the Mawloc comes into play? I did not see such an exception in the new Nid rules. This means that the Mawloc must be placed on the table before replacing him with the blast plate, thus triggering Warp Quake BEFORE the hits are generated.

You need to re-read the TftD rule.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Is there an exception to normal Deep Strike resolution when the Mawloc comes into play? I did not see such an exception in the new Nid rules. This means that the Mawloc must be placed on the table before replacing him with the blast plate, thus triggering Warp Quake BEFORE the hits are generated.

You need to re-read the TftD rule.

Looking at it now.

To follow Deep Strike, first you must place the model on the table. When the Mawloc tries to land on another model, I would think that you instead hold the Mawloc above its intended position. Then roll for scatter. If the Mawloc lands on an enemy model, replace the Mawloc with the blast template, as per TftD.
Warp Quake, however, triggers when the Mawloc scatters. Note that the Mawloc is on the table at this point, not the blast template.

Warp Quake only triggers when models are deploying post scatter.
The Mawloc does not deploy until after both large blasts are resolved.

rigeld2 wrote:
Warp Quake only triggers when models are deploying post scatter.
The Mawloc does not deploy until after both large blasts are resolved.

The Mawloc rule says, "Roll for scatter as normal." This means that the Mawloc must be placed on the table first, as per the DS rules. The Mawloc scatters onto my GKI unit and TftD allows the model to be replaced with a blast. However, before we put down the blast, while the Mawloc is still on the table (as per DS), Warp Quake makes the unit mishap.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Warp Quake makes the unit mishap.

Incorrect.
Warp Quake makes units that are deploying via Deep Strike mishap (after scatter).
The Mawloc is not deploying via Deep Strike until after the scatter is resolved - and then he's not deployed, he's replaced with 2 blast marker attacks.

Also the second paragraph makes it clear that the Mawloc is not placed on the table until after the blast marker is resolved.

As brotherhood of psychers says you must choose which model uses the power, if the mawloc kills him, no power

 Mantle wrote:
As brotherhood of psychers says you must choose which model uses the power, if the mawloc kills him, no power

The unit is the psyker, there is no singling out of a model.

 Mantle wrote:
As brotherhood of psychers says you must choose which model uses the power, if the mawloc kills him, no power

Not true for gk, the power extends from every model.

Fragile wrote:
Also the second paragraph makes it clear that the Mawloc is not placed on the table until after the blast marker is resolved.

This I can't buy. How do you initiate Deep Strike without placing a model on the table? TftD doesn't give an exception to this part of the procedure.

rigeld2 wrote:

The Mawloc is not deploying via Deep Strike until after the scatter is resolved - and then he's not deployed, he's replaced with 2 blast marker attacks.

I'm almost there. But I don't see how TftD grants an exception to the general rules of DS until the Mawloc hits an enemy model. And at that point, after he has scattered, Warp Quake.

Normally it goes:
1. Determine position of model.
2. Roll for scatter.
3. Deploy model on table/mishap.

For a Mawloc it goes:
1. Determine position of model.
2. Roll for scatter.
3. Eat everything, RAWR.
4. Deploy model on table/mishap

So if your strike squad dies in step 3, they aren't around to force the Mawloc to mishap in step 4.

An easy way to get around this issue is to.

A: have the Strike squad in a Rhino (that has cast Warp Quake). (Unless I am mistaken, blessings can be cast by on a unit in a transport so long as the target is the same unit).

B: have the Strike Squad on the Second level of a Ruin, as the Mowloc cannot DS there and the 12in bubble extends 360 degrees in a sphere.

C: Have the Strike Squad spread out to maximum legal distance between models to lessen possible template coverage.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Librarian can't cast warp quake - just strikes and interceptors. I'd assume it's no longer in play if the originating source is gone.

Disagree. Prescience lasts until the next movement phase, like all blessings. This happens even if the libby is dead.

It lasts until the start of the next phase equivalent to the one it was cast in. (so, if it was cast in shooting, then it will end in shooting.)

Warp Quake causes deep strikers to mishap if they land within 12 inches of the unit that cast it. If the unit is dead how could it still be in effect?

Scipio - now please measure to the unit, as warp quake requires