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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 18:52:12
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Lurking Gaunt
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In the new dataslate that just came out you can take a Broodlord Hunting Pack(3 Genestealer Broods + one Broodlord in one of those units)
They have this nifty little rule:
IC's can join units in reserves. My question to you is: Can an Alpha Warrior join one of these Genestealer Broods and arrive with them from reserves using the above special rule?
There are no restrictions of IC's joining these units in the dataslate.
Unrelated to the above question: I'm pretty sure these units can assault the turn they arrive from Reserves. They're not DSing, and I think you can assault the turn you arrive from reserves.
I think I know what formation I'll be taking if I'm right... but please correct me if I'm wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 18:55:50
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds
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Why did they get rid of Ymgarls, and then bring them back in a data slate?
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Space marines
:tyranid: Tyranid
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 18:56:54
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor
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Unless stated otherwise a unit cannot charge or use any abilities or special rules that must e used at the start of the turn when entering from reserves
Pg 125 of the small rulebook sorry, so no assaulting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 18:58:44
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Lurking Gaunt
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@Melcavuk Thanks for the answer! I know a certain local player that needs to be informed of this rule haha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:02:37
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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Well infiltrators cannot be joined by a character that doesn't also have infiltrate, but that dataslate rule never used the word infiltrate.
Hmm further complicating this, is a unit considered to be "infiltrators" if they simply have the infiltrate rule, or only when they are actually using it to infiltrate?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/01/25 19:05:26
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:09:12
Subject: Re:Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Lurking Gaunt
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Well, that's maybe a good point Gunz
But I don't think Genestealers that aren't infiltrating are considered "infiltrators."
"An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of infiltrators during deployment."- p38 BRB
They have the special rule of infiltrate, but since they wouldn't be infiltrating I don't think they'd be considered "infiltrators."
It doesn't say:
An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit with the infiltrate special rule during deployment.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/01/25 19:10:06
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:11:52
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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I agree with your interpretation but it is actually unclear.
And regardless, the dataslate rule doesn't even mention infiltrate so I think it's good to go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:17:08
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Brainy Zoanthrope
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Thrawn2600 wrote:Why did they get rid of Ymgarls, and then bring them back in a data slate?
These can't attack first turn so nowhere near as good
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:17:11
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Lurking Gaunt
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I also agree that it's unclear, but I think apposing players may bring up the point you made. It's good to hashout these things early! Thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 19:22:26
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Amoras wrote: Thrawn2600 wrote:Why did they get rid of Ymgarls, and then bring them back in a data slate?
These can't attack first turn so nowhere near as good
True... but remember that if you go second, your stealers can assault from their building. It's a marked improvement on the old infiltrate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/25 20:20:27
Subject: Re:Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Only if they deploy using the infiltrators rules and not the formation special rule.
If they are hidden beneath the city they will arrive from reserves at the start of your turn, not the start of the game turn. If you go 1st or 2nd it does not matter, they can't charge on the turn you put them on the table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 11:51:30
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Helpful Sophotect
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Is the Tyranid Prime a "unit from this formation"?
I'd say the answer to that question will also answer whether he can join the unit and deploy with them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 13:32:08
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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When he is joined, he is indeed from that formation
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 16:08:49
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Helpful Sophotect
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As many are fond of saying, permissive ruleset would require specific allowance of transfer of the rule to the IC, as per p.39 of the rulebook he doesn't get it automatically.
Does "Hidden Beneath the City" specifically say it transfers onto IC's that join the unit?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 16:10:54
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Is that a rules purpose? Then he is a normal member of the unit, and not a unit by himself. As such the unit IS from the formation
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/26 23:24:23
Subject: Tyranid Slate: Broodlord's Hunting Pack + Alpha Warrior?
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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The alpha warrior is not part of the formation as he was not purchased from within its selection.
So no, he wouldn't be able to enter with them.
He is part of the UNIT he joins, and gains special rules if attached to them, but he is never an actual part of the formation.
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