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Ok, the new Tyranid supplement-thing includes FIVE dataslates to use with your bugs!

1. Lictor Forest Brood: a single brood of FIVE Lictors. They cost exactly like normal, but grant two benefits... 1. Shrouded instead of Stealth. 2. May infiltrate within 6" of an enemy if Infiltrating into a forest/jungle piece of terrain.

How to: These guys are a nice way to get an extra elites slot and one very durable Lictor Unit. Get within 6" plus in area terrain and you're golden! These guys will synchronize very well with Mawlocs for being able to get very close. During your opponents first turn, go to ground if he shoots. With only 5 models, but 15 wounds, flamers won't be THAT deadly. Just stay alive, then get in Synapse for the pop-up and get ready to assault someone! By being within 6", your opponent will have one turn to get away. Then you get a 6" move plus fleet charge, which can catch anything but a bike unit with decent odds. Also, forcing your opponent to run away in paralyzed fear is always exciting! I think this is the best and only way to use Lictors...

2. Genestealer Manufactorum Brood: These guys are designed to infiltrate building and such. Take 5 broods (minimal size I believe) that can then infiltrate within 6" of an enemy if in a Ruin or building. Also, the squads gain Hit and Run, which is pretty nice.

How to: These could be used as a good Multiple-threat-Overload by having 25 Genestealers get REALLY CLOSE to whatever you want. They aren't that good, but still have a huge ohcrapohcrapohcrap factor. Again, have them go to ground during your opponents first turn and then have a Dominion Flyrant unleash them in an angry wave! If they're already in Ruins to infiltrate, then going to ground gets them a 2++ cover save.

3. Deathleaper's Assassination Brood: This is Leaper and 5 Lictors, all as their own unit of 1 model. They get PE characters and Independent Characters, plus a 12" bubble of -1 leadership.

How-to: These are nice rules, but just because they are each their own unit that's a LOT of Kill Points, plus no survivibility bonuses or special infiltration... I think the Lictor Forest Brood is far superior.

4. Broodlord's Hunting Pack: 3 Genestealer Broods with exactly one Broodlord between them. You may however get extra models per Brood. You also gain PE against a single unit you choose when the Broodlord arrives. Plus, when they arrive from reserve they may be placed in a Ruin/building at 6" from an opponent.

How-to: These are similar to the other Genestealer dataslate, but they can get more Stealers in close, just in less broods, or they can get a Broodlord is. However the PE is limited, but not a bad buff.

5. Gargoyle-Bio bomb: 3 Gargoyle Broods and 3 Spore Mine Broods: Spore Mines within 6" lose their rule to halve movement/running/assault.

Well this isn't bad and makes Spore Mines kinda cool... The biggest plus to me is it opens up our FA slots a lot. Spore mines walking across the table won't work too well, and DSing that many models seems like a bad idea... but it's cute if you want a ton of Gargoyles and Harpies/Crones in an army.

Well, Dakka, what're your thoughts on this new supplement? I think it will make Genestealers and Lictors a little scarier than before, and if you like that type of army, then this is a definite good purchase.

EDIT: Just to clarify, you may infiltrate WITHIN 6" of an enemy for the first two units. As in, LESS THAN 6" away! That's pretty big! I missed it during my initial read, but holy crap! That's huge. There is almost no way an opponent can run away from whatever unit you put down, they HAVE to be killed. And if you pull the "go to ground, add synapse" trick your opponent will be in for a NASTY assault!

Thanks for the overview - I might buy this just for the lictors. Cheers!

Thanks for the overview.

I really do think the Lictor Forest Brood and Genestealer Manufactorum Brood could be very useful but it almost feels like they should have included a free forest/building to place anywhere on the board in the formation. These terrain dependent formations really do rely on you playing the BRB terrain rules.

I could really see the Genestealer Manufactorum Brood being nasty as people can bring their bunkers to the store and use them as dilapidated AV13 buildings during deployment.

The Lictor Forest Brood is hilarious to me as I will have to bring my wood elves mandatory forest with me if I were to run it. Tyranids have become the wood elves of 40K where if you don't bring your own terrain you cannot use half your rules.

The "can be set up within 6" of enemy models" part to me just reads as they can infiltrate closer - but need a 6" gap when they do. Still amazing bc they can't be ignored at that range.


Edit - yes the nid book benefitted from alternating terrain set up before and continues to.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The "can be set up within 6" of enemy models" part to me just reads as they can infiltrate closer - but need a 6" gap when they do. Still amazing bc they can't be ignored at that range.


Edit - yes the nid book benefitted from alternating terrain set up before and continues to.

"Models from this formation that are deployed within a Building or Ruins using the Infiltrate special rule can be set up within 6"of an enemy model"

I believe that means they can be set up at 6" away, or closer to, an enemy model. The question is, can they be within that 12" and 6" zone?

Im pretty sure that is meant to say that you can Inflitrate 6 inches or more away.

Fragile wrote:
Im pretty sure that is meant to say that you can Inflitrate 6 inches or more away.

Then it will be changed or FAQd. Until then, that is not at all what the rule says.

Bump.

Because this is the best rundown I have seen thus far.

 jifel wrote:

I believe that means they can be set up at 6" away, or closer to, an enemy model. The question is, can they be within that 12" and 6" zone?

I believe this is an issue of linguistics. Someone would say "the runner was within sight of the finish line" and they would mean that he was at a distance but relatively close, rather than 1" away from the finish line.

RAW: Can be 1" away from the enemy.
RAI: No closer than 6".

Needs to be FAQ'ed for clarification. So, sometime next year.

Farseer Pef wrote:

 jifel wrote:

I believe that means they can be set up at 6" away, or closer to, an enemy model. The question is, can they be within that 12" and 6" zone?

I believe this is an issue of linguistics. Someone would say "the runner was within sight of the finish line" and they would mean that he was at a distance but relatively close, rather than 1" away from the finish line.

RAW: Can be 1" away from the enemy.
RAI: No closer than 6".

Needs to be FAQ'ed for clarification. So, sometime next year.

I doubt it is RAI to be farther than 6" away. Because "within sight of the finish line" means he is at the point where he can see the finish line, or closer. Likewise, "within 6 inches" means at the point of 6 inches, or closer.

There is the added rule of not being able to be palced within 1 inch of an enemy model, leading to a zone between one and six inches where the model may be placed, assuming the other requirements (such as being in a forest or ruin) are met.

Guys...it's 5"...for a unit that can reliably charge something 13" away...unless your opponent moves and runs away...you got them.

 jifel wrote:

I doubt it is RAI to be farther than 6" away. Because "within sight of the finish line" means he is at the point where he can see the finish line, or closer. Likewise, "within 6 inches" means at the point of 6 inches, or closer.

There is the added rule of not being able to be palced within 1 inch of an enemy model, leading to a zone between one and six inches where the model may be placed, assuming the other requirements (such as being in a forest or ruin) are met.

If we accept that as the intended ruling, those Genestealers can't Infiltrate into a building/ruin if it would put them 7-12" away from an enemy unit while outside all enemy units' LOS or 7"-18" while visible to an enemy unit.

Confusing much? Reading it as approaching no closer than 6" regardless of LOS is far easier to apply than the above interpretation.