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I am entering a friendly tournament, this will be my first "real" games (I have played a "tutorial" 2 on 1, 2x1k vs 2k). The tournament will be played at 2k points, for which i barly have the models, so mainly i am wondering if i should swap some gear around.
I might be able to add a unit or two to my rooster, but more than that will probably be hard.

This is the list:
HQ:

Lucious the Eternal

Sorcerer
+1 powerlevel
Sigil of Corruption
Burning Brand of Skalanthrax
Mark of Slaanesh

Troops
Noise marines x5
Blasmaster

Noise Marines x5
Blastmaster

Noisemarines x10
9 Sonic Blasters
Icon of Excess

27 Cultists

Elites
5 terminators
Land Raider
Mark of Slaanesh
Icon of Excess
Power Swords and Combi weapons to taste (which one is still to be determined)

Fast Attack
3 Bikers
2 plasmas

3 Bikers
2 plasmas

5x Raptors

Heavy Support
5 Havocs
4x Autocannons


Am i missing something? Havocs and LR to deal with armor and flyers.
Blastmasters for sniping heavier infantery and hordes.
Sonic Blasters for anything hugging cover and anything with Jinks/stealth/shroud and so on.
Cultists for tarpitting anything midfield or on my side.
Melee termies for suicide charges to disrupt anything with heavy backfield firepower.
Sorcerer to support the Noise Marines and a lord with Burning brand to protect against anything that tries to get to close to my supporting units.

As much as I don't want to sound like TFG, you pretty much will need one or two Heldrakes at 2000 points. One unit of havocs with flakk simply will not be enough to take down the kind of stuff you'll find at 2000 points. I know you can sometimes feel like a bit of a douche for baleflaming people, but it's unfortunately a necessary evil.

*cry*

To be honest, i expected that. But i will rather lose than buy Heldrakes, so if there is nothing more wrong than needing heldrakes i am i happy camper.

Edit: The reason i do not want heldrakes are that they are ugly, i do not think that they fit the theme (Maybe if they had Doom Sirens instead of Baleflamers), and i do not like the concept of flyers in a Tabletop game if it is not fully dedicated to flyers (X-Wing for example)

I completely agree with you. The unfortunate thing is that the current chaos codex really struggles without them. You're either going to need at least one Heldrake or more AA. A 5 man Havoc unit can be wiped out pretty easily and a LR is not a reliable AA vehicle. As an aside, since I hate the chicken model I converted a Hell-Blade with a flamer from the Baal predator.

well, in defence of the Heldrake, its not really a flyer... Itz a DraGonz!

Hm, well, then i need to get more AA i guess. After doing some math i concluded that 5 Havocs and 1 LR would be able to inflict 0.85 glancing or penetrating to a flyer per turn on average which seems a bit low.

Then the next question would be: What to drop to get another 5 Havocs with Flakk? Where do i have enough redundancy to get this amount of points? Both of the small Noise Marine Squads?

Conversion might be possible, maybe ill install a minispeaker and a bluetooth reciever in some of the cooler looking flyers.
Dragons are cool, if you are playing in a Dungeons and Dragon Setting (Which is awesome), but in Sci-Fi settings i prefer my flyers not looking like Dragons.

I'd take autocannon havocs over flakk ones any day, twice the shots and far cheaper. 2 squads of autocannon havocs comes to 230. To get the points you could drop the current havocs, turn the plasma on bikes to melta (I prefer melta bkes to plasma bikes) and drop MoS off the sorcerer (the book powers are better).
Hope this helps and it's nice to see another chaos player who refuses to use heldrakes

Hm, i will try to throw some stuff around to get the autocannons, i hope they are enough for flyers, i will have to do some math on that when i get back home.
I actually had melta on the bikes but replaced it when i realized i had up towards 6 Lascannons if i took Lascannons on the Havocs.

I really want MoS on the Sorc to be able to get the Blessing from Slaanesh, it seems to be really good if i get my 9 Sonic Blasters into position (27 str 5 ap 5 shots that ignores cover, that should be about 18 hits and like 4 unsaved wounds against MEQ? (27*((2/3)^2)*1/3) =8 average)

Just out of interest, are you taking two units or terminators or am I reading that wrong?

Yes, i am taking 5 terminators for a reaper autocannon to deal with light armor, these will also have some kind of combi weapon, probably Plasma to fit the role better. These will include a Land Raider to be able to either get the larger Noise Marine squad into a good position, or snipe armor.

The other terminator squad is meant to deep strike where needed, mainly to be able to disrupt the enemies ranged support or gunline to wreck some havoc and tie up shooters.

Yeah. I think you need to think about a different strategy for that. 500~ points for a unit to pop light armour when you can get 5 autocannon havocs who will do the job much better for much cheaper is not the best use of points. Also in my experience deep striking assault Terminators are never as good in practice as they are in theory. Maybe just take one squad and use the points elsewhere.

I will change some stuff around then and see if i can put straws or something on my Normal marines and call them havocs
I will be back with a new and improved list "soon".

I would recommend dropping one group of Terminators in favor of a Heldrake. If you can find the points for a second one, they will do even better for you.

I would also use an Aegis Defence Line with a Quad gun over Autocannon Havocs. Yes, there is a chance more shots will hit with Havocs, but the Twin-Linked aspect of the Quad Gun means you can pretty much count on all shots hitting. You also gain the extra defense of the fortification itself. To me, it's a much more efficient way to spend your points.

Either way, good luck and let us know how it goes.

You could go Forgeworld for flyers with AA/bomber if you have the economy for it.

Sorc is better at ml3 and probably without MoS tbh...however, slaanesh powers are not bad from time to time. Though, i'd go with biomancy or telepathy all the way. Also, i prefer a power axe to have an ability to instakill a MC close up. Besides, it's not likely u're gona fight anything decent that ain't got high toughness or 2+ armor.
I'd reduce termies to meltadrop and no mark, while taking regular ccw marines with melta + combi-melta abroad a landraider. They're doing somewhat better than termies in this role and are not something you see very often.

U got:

+ maybe some points for combi-weapons on termie champs

What i'd take:



Probably a gift on csm champ if you got spare points. It's useless most of the time but it's awesome when you get something like shrowded and good when +1 wound/attack/crusader etc.

Also they're good when you stick an IC with them - that's why 9 not 10. If you don't want to go with indep - it's not bad to take 10, 2 meltas, combi-melta, no marks and just an icon of vengeance.

Anywayz, you got 50-60 pts left extra and they're still doing the job mostly. also, they're scoring.

I have a hard time dropping the five terminators due to not having models to really replace them. I updated the list in my first post a bit, i think it is a bit under 2k points though (haven't checked that closely).

What i have done is replaced 5 raptors with a havoc autocannon with a squad of raptors, added lucious into the mix to and well, i will probably increase the lord to pwrlvl 4 and maybe put him in a Termie Armor.

The models i have atm is (Might have forgotten something):
1 Land Raider.
30 Cultists
14 Termies
~15ish CSM (8 of these are Noise Marines with Bolters to accompany the Blastmasters, 5 which i call Havocs)
10 Noise Marines with Sonic Blasters, 2 with Blastmasters.
5 Warptalon (I am going to tear their arms off to make them raptors)
6 Khorne Berzerker (Dont want to use those)
6 Bikers .
1-2 Lords
1 Sorcerer

As i said, i want a Slaanesh-themed list.

Anywho, what i will fight is: Eldar, SM, Necrons and Deamons, if that might help.

Needs at least one heldrake. I might combine the 3 noise marine squads into 2. I'd also add a couple bikes to each squad or just combine them.

The point i made in a previous post still applies: I want a list that is as good as possible, with the stuff i have preferably. I might be able to borrow 3 Obliterators and Doom Rider (For a Slaaneshi lord on a bike).
That being said, i will not include Heldrakes, if it means i will lose 50% of the matches by default, that is fine. My goal will be to put up the best fight i can without Heldrakes and make sure i have the best chance possible in the 50% of the matches that are not lost by default.