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Hello, I thank everyone for giving their advice and knowledge on table top stuff. It really saves a lot of disagreements my friends and I have about the rules.

When I was reading the book it said that "when you take a penetrating hit, take a hull point loss and roll on the damage chart." My friend interpreted it as I lose two hull points if a penetrating hit is scored. Someone told him that it was correct so we've been running it that way.

Recently though It's kinda been bugging me, is he right that a penetrating hit takes off two hull points off of say, a leman russ, or is a penetrating hit only supposed to take off 1 hull point and then roll on the damage table(for a possible blowing it up)?

Why would it be two?

No, penetrating hits do not take off two HP. There is nothing at all that says that rolling on the damage table removes a HP, so you just follow the directions: remove 1 HP for the penetrating hit, and then roll on the damage table and apply any results.

You take one hull point loss for each penetrating or glancing hit.

You then roll on the table to see if there is any further effect from a penetrating hit.

So no, a penetrating hit only causes ONE hull point loss, unless, if your vehicle has been immobilized and takes a second immobilization result on the damage table you would instead suffer another hull point loss (in addition to the one from the pen hit) at that point.

 insaniak wrote:
Why would it be two?

Weird rule interpretations and none of us are veteran table top players so it's hard to convince one another without solid evidence from a veteran player.

I do thank you all for your help, thanks for answering everyone!

Can't really help unless you can tell us your friend's logic for the lose of each hull point from a single hit? Does he think that a hit that penetrates also glances? If that is the case refer him to page 73. You'll see that a glance only occurs when the total for the hit equals the armor value of the vehicle, and a penetrating hit only occurs when the total for the his is greater than (not greater than or equal to) the vehicles armor value.

That makes me wonder... This may have been discussed before (Though a search netted no results) but if you roll a 6 with a Gravgun against an already immobilised vehicle, does it take 1 HP or 2?

Somewhat related to the whole thing about HP, so excuse the slight ninjaing.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
That makes me wonder... This may have been discussed before (Though a search netted no results) but if you roll a 6 with a Gravgun against an already immobilised vehicle, does it take 1 HP or 2?

Somewhat related to the whole thing about HP, so excuse the slight ninjaing.

Very much discussed and debated previously without a 100% clear consensus (though I believe the majority was yes, it takes a 2nd because that is technically what the rules state).

One such debate here : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/550929.page#6089651 (there are several more that all go on for many pages)

 DJGietzen wrote:
Can't really help unless you can tell us your friend's logic for the lose of each hull point from a single hit? Does he think that a hit that penetrates also glances? If that is the case refer him to page 73. You'll see that a glance only occurs when the total for the hit equals the armor value of the vehicle, and a penetrating hit only occurs when the total for the his is greater than (not greater than or equal to) the vehicles armor value.

I think the logic was that "rolling on the damage table" to him implied that it took another hull point loss.

Somewhat related to the whole thing about HP, so excuse the slight ninjaing

it's fine the question was answered already.

only if the result on the table states that result removes a hull point. For example penetrating the armor of an already immobilized vehicle and rolling an immobilized result will cause the vehicle to loose two hull points.One for the hit and one for being immobilized a second time. (even if the 1st immobilized was not from a hit)

If a penetrating hit was scored, the vehicle not only loses 1 Hull Point, but also suffers additional damage. After deducting any Hull Points, roll a D6 for each shot that penetrated the vehicle's armour.

Are any of the players necron players? They have funky rules on shooting vehicles and causing more glances. Could be a rule misinterpretation on that part.

 conker249 wrote:
Are any of the players necron players? They have funky rules on shooting vehicles and causing more glances. Could be a rule misinterpretation on that part.

None of the Necron weapons add more wounds or pens/glances. Their main guns glance on 6s and their main vehicle weapon adds more hits on 6s. I could see that the player was interpenetrating the Tesla rule as extra wounds instead of extra hits, but that should add two more, not one.

there is only one instance where a penetrating hit can cause 2 hull points to be lost.

that is when the vehicle has already become imobalized and you get a second imobolized result on the table.

(e.g. you fired 2 las canons and they both penetrate the target, you then roll the imobalized result twice in sucession, this will result in a total of 3 hull points and an imobalized for the vehicle)

 nutty_nutter wrote:
there is only one instance where a penetrating hit can cause 2 hull points to be lost.

that is when the vehicle has already become imobalized and you get a second imobolized result on the table.

(e.g. you fired 2 las canons and they both penetrate the target, you then roll the imobalized result twice in sucession, this will result in a total of 3 hull points and an imobalized for the vehicle)

Huh I didn't know that, why is it that it shaves off an extra hull point if it immobilizes an immobilized vehicle? Is it any immediate hull point damage gets an extra one or is it only if two immobilizes are rolled in a row?

Because that's what the Immbolize result says.