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Hi Dakka, was wondering if you could help me out with this one. Every tactica I've been reading for bikes mentions their 3+ cover save. I'm very confused as to how they get this. They have the Jink USR, which gives them a 4++ if they turbo-boost. Where does it say anything about a 3++? I've scoured the rules, and the only thing I've found is if you had an IC with Skilled Rider attached to the squad. Then I saw someone mention that all IC's had Skilled Rider, it was written in their section. Again, scoured it, found zilch.
Help me out guys, I'm truly stuck.
Edit: Specifically with regards Swiftclaw bikers from the SW codex.

Which armies bikes are you referring to?

I believe there is a tactic if attaching a Dark Angels character, with an item that grants Shrouded, to a squad of White Scar bikes with their form of Skilled Rider.

Edit; Edited top post.

Space Wolves?
Not sure. There's the attaching of the Dark Angel character again, that would give a 3+
Then night fighting maybe?

 grendel083 wrote:
Which armies bikes are you referring to?

I believe there is a tactic if attaching a Dark Angels character, with an item that grants Shrouded, to a squad of White Scar bikes with their form of Skilled Rider.

Anyone doing that to you didn't read the whole entry for that relic.

The relic in question's rules read thusly, emphasis mine.
"Shroud of Heroes confers the Feel No Pain special rule on its wearer. In addition, while he is not in a unit, he has the Shrouded special rule."

Besides there's no Dark Angel character attachment possible to a Swiftclaw Biker unit, SW and DA are allies of convenience. Also the Ravenwing Darkshroud special rule won't affect them as they are not "Friendly Units"

The only way I can think of for a SW bike squadron to get that 3++ jink saves is either night fighting or attaching the warlord to the unit with the trait Conqueror of cities (stealth in ruins), tho that would be risky businnes as you will have to check for dangerous terrain.

White Scars get a +1 to their jink saves. DA Sammael can add in another +1 bonus to that for skilled rider. That's a 3+ cover save for moving and 2+ for boosting... or any way of giving stealth (dark shroud maybe?).

DA Black Knights get skilled rider already, so their skill won't stack with Sammuel. ICs no longer get skilled riders, that's a 5th edition tactica your reading.

Swift claws are horrible... don't put points in them. Ally in WSs and pretend they're SW.

I would be willing to bet you are reading dated articles because back in 5th edition when bikes turbo boosted they got the 3+ cover automatically. Check the dates on the article and see if that doesn't help.

White scars have the Born in the saddle special rule: Bike units automatically pass dangerous terrain tests and receive +1 to their Jink cover saves. In addition, they add 1 to their strength when resolving their hammer of wrath hits.

Its gotta be 5th ed. OP mentioned all ICs having Skilled Rider.

 GreatAtuin wrote:
Besides there's no Dark Angel character attachment possible to a Swiftclaw Biker unit, SW and DA are allies of convenience. Also the Ravenwing Darkshroud special rule won't affect them as they are not "Friendly Units"

The only way I can think of for a SW bike squadron to get that 3++ jink saves is either night fighting or attaching the warlord to the unit with the trait Conqueror of cities (stealth in ruins), tho that would be risky businnes as you will have to check for dangerous terrain.

As a bonus, conqueror of cities also gives move through cover in ruins so you'd auto pass those checks.

*Slaps head* Yup, all 5th ed. Sorry guys, wasting your time!
Now, how to get this thing closed...?

if a unit contains at least one model with skilled rider their turbo boost save will be 3++