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I found this whilst perusing the interwebs:

http://mikesivier.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/the-end-of-free-speech-and-free-protest-in-the-uk/

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The end of free speech and free protest in the UK
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Jan 2014
Posted by Mike Sivier in Conservative Party, Corruption, Democracy, Law, Liberal Democrats, People, Police, Politics, UK ≈ 133 Comments
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It’s farewell to your centuries-old right to free speech today, after your Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs won their bid to get the Gagging Bill passed by the House of Lords. It won’t go back to the Commons because the Lords made no amendments.

While you, personally, will be allowed to continue complaining about anything you want, you will no longer have the ability to link up with others to protest government actions in any meaningful way as such action may breach Liberal Democrat and Tory government-imposed spending limits. Your personal complaints will be deemed unrepresentative of the people.

You will still be able to have your e-petition on the government’s website – if you win enough signatures to have it debated in Parliament – ignored by the Tories and Liberal Democrats in the House of Commons.

The Liberal Democrats and Tories have even managed to rub salt into the wound by creating a register of all the corporate lackeys who will still be able to influence their policies – freelance lobbyists employed by large companies for the specific purpose of swaying government policy. Lobbyists who are company employees will not be listed as the government says their purposes for meeting MPs should be obvious.

This means the new law will do nothing to restrict the power of corporations to write government policy or prevent lobbying scandals such as those involving former Tory MP Patrick Mercer, along with Tories Peter Cruddas and Liam Fox.

The new law protects in-house corporate lobbying operations from official scrutiny, while preventing the public from enjoying the same privileges of access to the government. That is what your Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs have fought so assiduously to obtain, over the eight months or so that this legislation, “one of the worst… any government produce[d] in a very long time”, has spent being digested by Parliament.

In a Commons debate in September, Glenda Jackson MP warned that her constituents “know that the Bill… would prevent democratic voices from being heard”.

In response, Andrew Lansley – the Conservative who gave us the hated Health and Social Care Act 2012, another incredibly poor piece of legislation – said; “I look forward to the Honourable Lady having an opportunity… to go back to her constituents, to tell them that the things they are alarmed about will not happen.”

They have happened already. Within 24 hours of the Lords agreeing the Bill in its current form, at least one parody account on Twitter, that was critical of Coalition policies, was closed down: @UKJCP – a satirical account parodying the DWP.

@UKJCP immediately resurrected itself as @DeadParrotJCP and @Director_UKJCP. We’ll see how long they last.

Let us not forget, also, that the third part of this law cracks down on trade unions, enforcing strict rules on membership records to ensure, it seems, that it is possible to ‘blacklist’ any trade unionist who finds him- or herself seeking work.

With free speech flushed away, you may still resort to public protest – but the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has that covered.

ACPO, which is funded by the Home Office, is lobbying the government for permission to use water cannons on the streets of the UK. This would be of no use at all in quelling violent criminal activities like the riots in 2011 – the police chiefs have already admitted that water cannons would have been ineffective in halting the “fast, agile disorder” and “dynamic looting” that took place during August 2011.

ACPO is an organisation that has tried to put ‘agent provocateurs’ into legitimate protest groups and promoted ‘kettling’ to stop peaceful protests (as used in the student protests early in the current Parliament), among many other reprehensible activities.

Considering its track record, it seems clear that ACPO wants to use water cannons against legitimate political protests, on the assumption that the increasing imposition of ideologically-imposed austerity on the country by the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives will lead to more political protests, as people across the UK finally realise that the Tories and their corporate lobbyist friends are actually working against the wider population.

ACPO’s report on water cannons makes it clear that “it would be fair to assume that the ongoing and potential future austerity measures are likely to lead to continued protest” and “the mere presence of water cannon can have a deterrent effect”.

The Home Office response? “We are keen to ensure forces have the tools and powers they need to maintain order on our streets. We are currently providing advice to the police on the authorisation process as they build the case for the use of water cannon.”

So there you have it. Take to the streets in peaceful protest and your police service will assault you with water cannons, with the blessing of your government.

There remains one option open to you – your vote. You could get rid of the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats at the next general election in 2015.

But that leads us to ask why the government has launched its attack on free speech and free protest.

Perhaps it wants to control the information you receive, on which you base your voting intentions?

We already know the unelected Conservative and Liberal Democrat government is using the predominantly right-wing media for this purpose. For example: George Osborne made a great deal of fuss earlier this week, alleging a huge resurgence in the British economy. With help from Tory mouthpiece the BBC, he was able to put out the headline figure that the economy grew by 1.9 per cent in 2013 - its strongest rate since 2007.

Osborne also claimed that Britain is doing better than all comparable economies in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, and that the upturn is due to his imbecilic “expansionary fiscal contraction” policy, otherwise known as austerity.

All of these claims are false, or intended to create a false impression.

Firstly, his 1.9 per cent of growth started at a much lower level of output than would have been the case if Osborne had not imposed austerity on us all and stopped the 2010 recovery dead. GDP would now be 20 per cent higher than its current levels if not for this single act of stupidity from the stupidest Chancellor in British history.

Secondly: The US economy recovered from an eight per cent fall after 2008 to a five per cent rise above its previous peak by the third quarter of 2013. Germany is the only major European country to enjoy growth of two per cent or higher, after an initial recovery based on increased public expenditure – not austerity. Even France has nearly reached its pre-crisis peak. The UK remains two per cent below its previous economic peak.

Finally, Osborne did not even get to this miserable excuse for a recovery by imposing austerity. He quietly adopted a stimulus policy to avoid going back into recession. What do you think ‘Funding for Lending’ is? Or his mortgage guarantee scheme?

All this is clarified by Michael Meacher MP in his own blog.

If George Osborne, Home Secretary Theresa May, ACPO and the Conservative-Liberal Democrat Coalition in Parliament had their way, you would not have access to any of these facts.

You would be led to believe that the governments policies are working, exactly the way the government says they are working.

You would not have any reason to believe that the government is lying to you on a daily basis.

You would be tranquillised.

Anaesthetised.

Compliant.

Would you vote against a government that tells you such wonderful things, even when your own circumstances might not reflect that story (real wages fell by seven per cent in the private sector and five per cent in the public sector between 2007-13)?

David Cameron is betting his career that you won’t.

He wants you to be a good little sheep.

Is that what you are?

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This clearly isn't hyperbolic rhetoric.
   
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I think there was already a thread on this.

But no, British free speech died quite a while ago. You guys throw people in jail for saying something other people don't like over Twitter.
   
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We had a recent thread on this and we did all conclude that we live in an Orwellian state.


   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
We had a recent thread on this and we did all conclude that we live in an Orwellian state.



I must have missed it. But yeah, i agree.

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I don't think it was this particular article, but the themes were more or less the same.


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 Seaward wrote:
But no, British free speech died quite a while ago. You guys throw people in jail for saying something other people don't like over Twitter.


This is exactly the full story.

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While the article may slightly sensationalise things, there's denying that the Gagging Bill is ridiculous, especially in any country that claims to be a protector of free speech and democracy. Not to beat about the bush, this act essentially seeks to divide, marginalise and almost criminalised organised opposition to the government policy,

Ok, so we can speak out on an individual level, but as soon as we attempt to formally organise that opposition so it can be recognised, we can be shut down. How is that in any was democratic or even justifiable? It's not like the vast majority of political opposition we have in the UK is even remotely violent or dangerous, as we have a stable and tested system of registering protest or opposition. The bill is entirely uncalled for, and I really can't see how they plan to justify it given the relative political stability we have.

I just hope that while this is in effect the government make absolutely no move or condemnation against any country that is denying its people free speech. I have little enough faith in the current government as it is, but that hypocrisy would be a step too far.

 
   
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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
So is it V for Vendetta time yet?


No, Alan Moore comics don't come to life until the USA turns into a post-apocalyptic wasteland.


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Don't worry guys you'll be fine, Australia doesn't have the right to free speech and we're doing alright.

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 Madcat87 wrote:
Don't worry guys you'll be fine, Australia doesn't have the right to free speech and we're doing alright.

At least that's what we're told.


I think that it's really our fault, this wouldn't have happened if we didn't have a communist national broadcaster who hates Australia to the core.

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 Seaward wrote:
I think there was already a thread on this.

But no, British free speech died quite a while ago. You guys throw people in jail for saying something other people don't like over Twitter.

This basically.

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 Krellnus wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
I think there was already a thread on this.

But no, British free speech died quite a while ago. You guys throw people in jail for saying something other people don't like over Twitter.

This basically.


Although, to be clear, it doesn't exist in the States either :

It is well established that the government may impose content regulations on certain categories of expression that do not merit First Amendment protection. To illustrate this point, the Court stated in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568, 62 S. Ct. 766, 86 L. Ed. 1031 (1942),"There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise constitutional problems."

With the increase of activity in cyberspace, individuals can distribute questionable speech throughout the U.S. and the world. In Planned Parenthood of the Columbia/Willamette Inc. v. American Coalition of Life Activists, 290 F.3d 1058 (9th Cir. 2002), a federal appeals court ruled that an anti-abortion web site was not protected by the First Amendment. The web site posted photos, names, addresses, and other information pertaining to Abortion providers, their family members, and others who were perceived as supporting abortion rights. Although neither the site nor the posters made explicit threats against the abortion providers, violence at clinics that provided abortions had followed poster distribution in the past. Planned Parenthood sued the group under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1994 (FACE), 18 U.S.C. § 248, and other laws. The trial judge instructed the jury that if the defendants' statements were "true threats," the First Amendment would not protect them. The jury awarded the plaintiff a multimillion-dollar verdict. The Ninth Circuit stated that a jury could conclude that the postings constituted a true threat under FACE, which removed any First Amendment protection for the defendants.

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 Seaward wrote:
I think there was already a thread on this.

But no, British free speech died quite a while ago. You guys throw people in jail for saying something other people don't like over Twitter.

Whereas the US definitely didn't do the same thing because some Canadian women claimed he made a gak joke online and was then locked away for months.

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Last time I saw Free Speech in Australia she was in pure "Viking" mode with a fire axe....

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Upon further reading :

a) There's nothing wrong whatsoever with a lobbyist registry. Its a common practice in many countries, and is a cornerstone of responsible lobbying. Also, such blanket whining about lobbying is one of the surest signs of an immature understanding of politics.

b) If you think that there isn't already a blacklisting effect applied to trade unionists, you've been living under a rock.

c) Ever seen someone taking a wooden or rubber 'protest' round in the eye or throat? You'll wish it was a water cannon.

d) This article makes it terribly unclear as to what is exactly being forbidden. Public protests, protests on Parlimentary grounds, unregistered protests... ?


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How's the um...assault(?)...or..limited viewing of internet porn?

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 Medium of Death wrote:
We had a recent thread on this and we did all conclude that we live in an Orwellian state.



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 Jihadin wrote:
How's the um...assault(?)...or..limited viewing of internet porn?


Well I can still access pornhub

But im more worried about the banning of protests at the moment.

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 purplefood wrote:
Whereas the US definitely didn't do the same thing because some Canadian women claimed he made a gak joke online and was then locked away for months.

Making a threat is a little different from saying something sexist or racist.
   
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 Seaward wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
Whereas the US definitely didn't do the same thing because some Canadian women claimed he made a gak joke online and was then locked away for months.

Making a threat is a little different from saying something sexist or racist.

It was quite clearly not a threat. Anyone with a brain could tell you that.

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 purplefood wrote:
It was quite clearly not a threat. Anyone with a brain could tell you that.

What's the kid been sentenced to, by the way?

Now compare that sentence with someone who said something mean about that McCann kid over Twitter in Britain.

What's amusing is that you can bring up only the League of Legends kid who got investigated and released, whereas we can point to entire (lefty) HuffPo articles on the many, many, many people Britain actually sentences to prison for saying something that hurts others' fee-fees. Free speech? Come on. Things like the original article are just natural progressions of your love for giving up your rights. I don't see the point in complaining about it. You knew where it was all going when you started down this path.

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 Seaward wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
It was quite clearly not a threat. Anyone with a brain could tell you that.

What's the kid been sentenced to, by the way?

Now compare that sentence with someone who said something mean about that McCann kid over Twitter in Britain.

I have no idea what the Twitter guy's sentence was. That said looking at it, it was a bit more than he said something mean about them. Admittedly it was still an overreaction, much like the guy who joked about bombing the airport because it was taking forever to move through it.
I'm reasonably sure the kid was eventually let go but the everything surrounding it was patently absurd. His bond was set at $500,000...

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 Seaward wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
It was quite clearly not a threat. Anyone with a brain could tell you that.

What's the kid been sentenced to, by the way?

Now compare that sentence with someone who said something mean about that McCann kid over Twitter in Britain.


Whose that then?

the only case I'm aware of/springs to mind is


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/9046508/Retired-lawyer-faces-jail-for-harassing-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann.html

Seeing as he breached a previously agreed court order he was convicted of harassment, and rightly so really IMO.

There's this guy too


http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/internet-troll-apologizes-to-mccann-family/

but he was never jailed and admitted to making threats to various people.


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Whose that then?

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Given that this would include such people linked to above and the people convicted for the messages to Caroline Criado-Perez


Really NWS
Spoiler:

If you don't know the kind of abuse that Caroline Criado Perez suffered, here it is in her own words: "I remember the man who told me I’d never track him down, only feel his cock while he was raping me; the man who told me he would pistol-whip me over and over until I lost consciousness, while my children watched, and then burn my flesh; the man who told me he had a sniper rifle aimed directly at my head and did I have any last words, fugly piece of gak? I remember the man who told me to put both hands on his cock and stroke it till he came on my eyeballs or he would slit my throat; the man who told me I would be dead and gone that night, and that I should kiss my pussy goodbye, as a group of them would “break it irreparably”; the man who told me a group of them would mutilate my genitals with scissors and set my house on fire while I begged to die. I can see their words on the screen. I remember where I was when I got them. I remember the fear, the horror, the despair. I remember feeling sick. I remember not being able to sleep. I remember thinking it would never end.

http://www.newstatesman.com/media/2014/01/john-nimmo-and-isabella-sorley-tale-two-trolls

I'm not entirely convinced that the above numbers are entirely accurate or a cause for ( too much) concern but YMMV.

With regards to the poppy burner...

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentish_gazette/news/2012/december/20/poppy_burner.aspx

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 reds8n wrote:
Given that this would include such people linked to above and the people convicted for the messages to Caroline Criado-Perez


Really NWS
Spoiler:

If you don't know the kind of abuse that Caroline Criado Perez suffered, here it is in her own words: "I remember the man who told me I’d never track him down, only feel his cock while he was raping me; the man who told me he would pistol-whip me over and over until I lost consciousness, while my children watched, and then burn my flesh; the man who told me he had a sniper rifle aimed directly at my head and did I have any last words, fugly piece of gak? I remember the man who told me to put both hands on his cock and stroke it till he came on my eyeballs or he would slit my throat; the man who told me I would be dead and gone that night, and that I should kiss my pussy goodbye, as a group of them would “break it irreparably”; the man who told me a group of them would mutilate my genitals with scissors and set my house on fire while I begged to die. I can see their words on the screen. I remember where I was when I got them. I remember the fear, the horror, the despair. I remember feeling sick. I remember not being able to sleep. I remember thinking it would never end.

http://www.newstatesman.com/media/2014/01/john-nimmo-and-isabella-sorley-tale-two-trolls

I'm not entirely convinced that the above numbers are entirely accurate or a cause for ( too much) concern but YMMV.

With regards to the poppy burner...

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentish_gazette/news/2012/december/20/poppy_burner.aspx



gak.... That was disgusting. That poor woman had to go through that? I hope those sick feths are never released.

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