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I know the DKoK of are WWI inspired IG but do they have Ogryns? I'm guessing FW avoided using the kinda goody abhuman units to reinforce the whole WWI image but only war would let you theoretically make a Krieg Ogryn. Any insight on this?

Ogryns aren't native to Krieg. They would fight as regular Ogryns, seconded to other regiments. There's nothing to say that cannot fight alongside Death Korps, but they wouldn't share in the whole gas mask routine.

Unless the quartermaster happens to have one in the right size, of course...

The mentality would be the big difference. They wouldn't have the Kreig martyrdom complex (unless the Commissar gently suggested that they should, the poor impressionable fellows), but I think they could scrounge up similar gear for the big guys.

They wouldn't have any in their regular units, but Kreigers deployed with other Imperial forces may have them as a detachment that was assigned to them by upper command.

However, Ogryns are slow and loyal. If they had an extended time around Kriegers they could conceivably come to embrace the whole gas mask routine just as a way to "feel included" if you get me. I don't see it as an implausibility.

 Sparkadia wrote:
They wouldn't have any in their regular units, but Kreigers deployed with other Imperial forces may have them as a detachment that was assigned to them by upper command.

However, Ogryns are slow and loyal. If they had an extended time around Kriegers they could conceivably come to embrace the whole gas mask routine just as a way to "feel included" if you get me. I don't see it as an implausibility.

I don't see why not.

Where is that picture from?

 Jihadnik wrote:
Where is that picture from?

http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Retribution/Death_Korps_of_Krieg_Pack

 Sparkadia wrote:
If they had an extended time around Kriegers they could conceivably come to embrace the whole gas mask routine just as a way to "feel included" if you get me. I don't see it as an implausibility.

I think it would be more likely that they would be issued with gas masks & protective equipment when fighting alongside the Death Korps in order to be able to function in the horrendous warzones the Death Korps are equipped, and volunteer, for. I do like your post there though - the idea of Ogryn's aping Death Korps uniforms to 'feel included' is one I like.

Those pictures made me think... Are there krieg inquisitors?

Arent Ogryns feircley loyal? If so part of that would be wearing a similar uniform in my opinion. After all they take pride in medals and so on. They also have to function with the army they are in, no point having an army of stealthy guardsmen if a bunch of bright ogryns are hiding with them.

It will also help with reducing friendly fire...

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Sparkadia wrote:
They wouldn't have any in their regular units, but Kreigers deployed with other Imperial forces may have them as a detachment that was assigned to them by upper command.

However, Ogryns are slow and loyal. If they had an extended time around Kriegers they could conceivably come to embrace the whole gas mask routine just as a way to "feel included" if you get me. I don't see it as an implausibility.

I don't see why not.

is it me or do the two in the back look like bane?

Banegryns... Ogryns that talk like they have intellect...

 tommse wrote:
Those pictures made me think... Are there krieg inquisitors?

In theory there could be - anyone can become an inquisitor in the right circumstances.

But it would be quite rare. For starters, most of the krieg population end up in the army, and don't survive very long. Often in the imperium, the orphaned children of high ranking officers end up int he schola progenium, which is where a lot of inquisitors / storm troopers etc are drawn from. But I doubt this would happen in the krieg regiments, since I doubt most officers have a long enough term of service to care about families and children.

Of course, they could get picked to serve an inquisitor, and then work their way up to interrogator, etc etc, but I doubt the krieg mindset is very well suited to a long career in espionage and politics!!

Most people from Kreig are uneducated as well. They exist to be soldiers, and soldiers don't require literacy.

Kreig despise any abnormalities hence no psychers, ogryns or ratlings IIRC

Well, Kreig is not a heavy-grav world, so you wouldn't have naturally-occurring Ogryns, and as it is also not a low-grav world, no Ratlings, either.

Socially, though, I don't believe the Death Korps would get on well with abhumans.

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, Kreig is not a heavy-grav world, so you wouldn't have naturally-occurring Ogryns, and as it is also not a low-grav world, no Ratlings, either.

Socially, though, I don't believe the Death Korps would get on well with abhumans.

I dont think thats how it works, im certain that ratlings come from their own worlds, as are Ogryns and then they get spread out accross the Imnperium when they get drafted. To stop abhuman rebeliion. Im sure they dont occur anywhere but from their own few worlds.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 tommse wrote:
Those pictures made me think... Are there krieg inquisitors?

In theory there could be - anyone can become an inquisitor in the right circumstances.

But it would be quite rare. For starters, most of the krieg population end up in the army, and don't survive very long. Often in the imperium, the orphaned children of high ranking officers end up int he schola progenium, which is where a lot of inquisitors / storm troopers etc are drawn from. But I doubt this would happen in the krieg regiments, since I doubt most officers have a long enough term of service to care about families and children.

Of course, they could get picked to serve an inquisitor, and then work their way up to interrogator, etc etc, but I doubt the krieg mindset is very well suited to a long career in espionage and politics!!

Herrrmmmm... I need to think of a good reason to have a Krieg Inquisitor for my campaign. You seem to have a solid grasp (unlike myself) of the Inquisition, how would a Kreiger most likely become an Inquisitor? and would they be likely to select their fellow Kreigers as an entourage?

I guess the second question answers itself - they probably would being that the Death Korps are the hardest bunch around.

They would have to be one of the educated officer classes, to start with, and maybe get attached to another Inquisitor's retinue, in which he/she distinguishes him/herself in some way, which leads to being apprenticed under the Inquisitor as their Interrogator.

It would be possible for a kreiger to become an inquisitor if an inquisitor inducted a person from kreig into their warband. They would need to be of better education, more independant in thought and have less of a martyrdom complex than the average kreiger (an inquisitor knows they are too important to die pointlessly). They would become an interrogator, then an inquisitor, if deemed worthy. However, in this time they would travel far and wide across the galaxy, and meet many people from other imperial worlds.

It is entirely possible that when they became an inquisitor they would induct a Death Korp member as a bodyguard in their henchmen (although they may be poor at this, being trenchfighters with a deathwish). They could also requisition an entire regiment, although situations where inquisitors fight wars of attrition are few and far between. It is unlikely that their entire retinue would be made up solely of Kreigers, as they tend to be inflexible, uneducated and dead, none of which are traits that inquisitor rely upon overmuch.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Well, Kreig is not a heavy-grav world, so you wouldn't have naturally-occurring Ogryns, and as it is also not a low-grav world, no Ratlings, either.

Socially, though, I don't believe the Death Korps would get on well with abhumans.

I dont think thats how it works, im certain that ratlings come from their own worlds, as are Ogryns and then they get spread out accross the Imnperium when they get drafted. To stop abhuman rebeliion. Im sure they dont occur anywhere but from their own few worlds.

That's... basically what I said?

Kreig would not have any naturally-occurring Ogryns, as it does not have the same high-grav environments that Ogryn Worlds do, and neither is it a Shire World, so therefore no native Ratlings, either. You won't get some abhumans exposed to the rads living on Kreig who happen to be Ogryn. Or Ratling. So if any of the two are there, they're from off-world, and since the Death Korps only recruits natives, they aren't going to have Ratlings and Ogryns going with them.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ogryn#.UvQqd_sz3Qg
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ratling#.UvQqjvsz3Qg

I read that and came out with something different to what you intended... I just thought when i read that "ogryns dont occur naturally anywhere except their own worlds... anywhere else and they wouldnt be ogryn, theyds be dead."

But i get what you mean now.