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Say 4 storm talons and 4 storm ravens? Would this be competitive?

In 2 k? I would say better for like 6 storm talons and 2 ravens

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
In 2 k? I would say better for like 6 storm talons and 2 ravens

It would be single force org

Then that's not possible. 3 fast 3 heavy max

Dataslates.

Anyway. It should work fine though id make sure to take reserve manipulation like com relay and tigger.

Probably good with Ironhands for IWND.

(it has enough dakka in general to take out most things.)

Just due to their size, I'd stay away from 3 ravens. Their wingspan makes them a pain to manipulate around other flyers. That being said, a space marine air force would be pretty effective in my opinion. You would NEED some sort of reserves manipulation as mentioned previously, because you want those flyers zooming around zorching things ASAP. The Stormraven/Stormtalon combo is fantastic, as they both can fill both your anti-air, anti-armor, and to some extent anti-infantry roles (minus hordes).

 Desubot wrote:
Dataslates.

Anyway. It should work fine though id make sure to take reserve manipulation like com relay and tigger.

Probably good with Ironhands for IWND.

(it has enough dakka in general to take out most things.)

Could this be a top tier SM build?

I haven't point costed out but probably not.

It could do ok but it has some major weaknesses, like having a lot of your units in reserves. if your models on table 1 get wiped its gg.

Fliers being expensive probably means you wont have many troops in the list as well.

though it might be ok with the raven.

 Desubot wrote:
Dataslates.

ahh true.

Just as a side note, allot of my local tourneys are disallowing dataslates, idk about ones where you are but something to find out

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Dataslates.

ahh true.

Just as a side note, allot of my local tourneys are disallowing dataslates, idk about ones where you are but something to find out

Also allies with them selves for 4 and 4 which wouldnt be that bad ether.

The troops could just be inside the fliers for protection.

4 talons and 4 ravens is about 1300 points depending on load out. In an 1850 game, that's about 550 points for a cheap HQ, and a bunch of min squad troops in the fliers.

Biggest problem with this list type of like a previous poster said, you need reserve manipulation, I'd go with tigurius here. After that it's finding something sturdy enough to not get blown off the table before they come in.

Perhaps camo cloak scouts in a building/ruin our LoS.

This list will also require lots of practice and has issues when half the board is covered with hordes. Really just planning the movement of more than 6 flyers is very difficult.

 Desubot wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Dataslates.

ahh true.

Just as a side note, allot of my local tourneys are disallowing dataslates, idk about ones where you are but something to find out

Also allies with them selves for 4 and 4 which wouldnt be that bad ether.

true again.

Doesn't 50% of your army have to start on the board? So if he put troops in the flyer that could make for an illegal list pretty quickly depending on the point level..?

No, only 50% of the units which are not required to start in reserves may be placed in reserves. Therefore any unit within a flying transport does not count toward the 50%, similar to how units in drop pods do not count.

Oh ok, thanks for the clarification!

Units that MUST start in reserves do not count. (Flyers)

Edit: Woops probably should refresh before posting.

This is probably a stupid question, but can all SM factions use fliers now?

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
This is probably a stupid question, but can all SM factions use fliers now?

With the use of the Storm Wing Dataslate yes.


But I am not sure about the full viability of this type of list until you get to 2k or above, I recently played played my 1500pt Null Deployment Sallies list and on turn 1 was almost wiped off the board and lost the game due to 0 models rule. I can easily see that rule coming into play, with only 550pts for troops and an HQ you wont get more than 20ish models that can be easily get brushed off the board, unless you do some scout shenanigans, but even still its a huge risk.

It might be worth taking at least one drop pod full of troops. If you end up going second, you are null deployment, so you drop your one pod and have troops. Turn two the flyers show up, so hopefully you’ll keep something on the table the whole game.

If you end up going first, you drop the pod in the most out of the way place you can find, and step out of the far side, using the pod to block LOS/provide cover. Highly mobile armies, or those with long range indirect fire might still be able to table you, but hopefully you can find a safe LZ to tough out a turn of fire.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
This is probably a stupid question, but can all SM factions use fliers now?

No, you are limited to what is in your codex.

 ansacs wrote:
No, only 50% of the units which are not required to start in reserves may be placed in reserves. Therefore any unit within a flying transport does not count toward the 50%, similar to how units in drop pods do not count.

Wait, I think that only counts if it's a dedicated transport flyer, no? If it's merely a flyer with transport capacity like the Stormraven, then the embarked passengers would count against your 50%, wouldn't they?

 Homeskillet wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
No, only 50% of the units which are not required to start in reserves may be placed in reserves. Therefore any unit within a flying transport does not count toward the 50%, similar to how units in drop pods do not count.

Wait, I think that only counts if it's a dedicated transport flyer, no? If it's merely a flyer with transport capacity like the Stormraven, then the embarked passengers would count against your 50%, wouldn't they?

This sounds like it would stand to reason

 Homeskillet wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
No, only 50% of the units which are not required to start in reserves may be placed in reserves. Therefore any unit within a flying transport does not count toward the 50%, similar to how units in drop pods do not count.

Wait, I think that only counts if it's a dedicated transport flyer, no? If it's merely a flyer with transport capacity like the Stormraven, then the embarked passengers would count against your 50%, wouldn't they?

The FAQ has this to say:

Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in
reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in
Reserves? For example, must I count the units in a Drop Pod or
Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves?
(p124)
A: No.

So once you step into a flyer, you aren’t in the count for what needs to be on the table.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Homeskillet wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
No, only 50% of the units which are not required to start in reserves may be placed in reserves. Therefore any unit within a flying transport does not count toward the 50%, similar to how units in drop pods do not count.

Wait, I think that only counts if it's a dedicated transport flyer, no? If it's merely a flyer with transport capacity like the Stormraven, then the embarked passengers would count against your 50%, wouldn't they?

The FAQ has this to say:

Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in
reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in
Reserves? For example, must I count the units in a Drop Pod or
Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves?
(p124)
A: No.

So once you step into a flyer, you aren’t in the count for what needs to be on the table.

Wow, learn something new everyday!