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First post!

This is more of a list I want than a list I have. Stuff I have and would want to include are bolded, BA stuff is in red. I don't have the BA codex so I wont include BA costs. I also don't know psyker stuff. This list is not really competitive but I don't want to roflstomped.

HQ
Commander x1 with TL Fusion Blaster, Shield Generator, Target lock. NSJ, CCN, PEN, MSSS, Iridium 212 pts
Darkstrider x1 100 pts
Librarian x1 with jump pack, force sword, bolt pistol

Troops
Fire Warrior Team x12 with shas'ui in devilfish 188pts
Fire Warrior Team x12 with shas'ui 108pts
Kroot Carnivore x16 Krootox Rider and sniper rounds 125pts
Assault company x10 w/ jump packs 1x thunder hammer, 4x chainsword & bolt pistol will be having some special weapons.
Elites
Riptide x1 HBC, EWO, VC TL SMS 205
Crisis x3 tl plasma, 2x tl missile, 3x stimjen 1xGun Drone, One Shield Drone 195.
Sang priest.
Fast Attack
Pathfinder x4 Shas'ui (w/ blacksun filter) Rail Rifle 60pts
Pathfinder x4 Ion Rifle 54pts
Piranha x2 Burst cannon fusion blaster 90pts
Heavy Support
broadside x3 about 200

Original list=

Total = 1500+ points

In my small metagame there is:
BA x3 (one Sang. Guard w/ Dante, two random)
Necrons x3 (one random but has a flyer, one is not built, one random)
SM x 1 (termies, devs, captain, tact - nothing to worry about)
orks x1 (lots. I dont know how much but lots.)

So thats my list! Suggestions appreciated, and if anyone knows how many points the BA would be... or is that illegal/ idk

hi
i'm not a tau expert; i'm neither a BA expert but i played a lot in the last few months so i can give some advice
first of all: why did you take BA as allies?

i suppose you whant something better at CC than tau
i would not advice DC: is very expensive and not really worthwhile; plus DC will die, hopefully later, probably sooner...
this squad is around 200 points; you can put a 5 man assault marine (that's also scoring!!) on a razorback with las/plas and meltagun for 170 point; put inside librarian with shield of sanguinius (and you recover also 25 point from jump pack)
or if you need a fast moving jump pack unit, use assault marines with a sanguinary priest (10 assault marine standard, a power weapon on sergeant; don't bother with deep strike: if you deploy them on your area behind cover and move around cover you could bring them very quickly on enemy side...)

Thanks for posting!

Yeah, I wanted something better than tau at melee, and I like BA so I decided I would use Death Company as they are BA troops. I didn't realise Assault Marines are troops, I thought they were Fast Atack - I'm guessing troops because un-updated codex? I also read in my friends codex (which I'm gonna ask to borrow) that Priests are Elites... or am I mistaken? But yeah about the DC, I'll probably just proxy them as Assault marines and buy some more. What about the Tau bit? Is that good? Thanks for the help!

EDIT: Can you combat squad Assault Marines? And if you do, can you fit one in a Razorback at the start?

mostly "yes" to your question
- assault marine are troop because we are cool space emo vampires u_u
no, reallly, it's probably the only good thing about BA at the moment ;_;
- you can combat squad a 10-men unit into 2x 5-men squad
- you can give a special weapon every 5 men (so 10xASM = 2x specialist weapon) and you're free to squad them as you like (aka 2x special in one squad, 0x special in the other one )
- priest are Elite BUT you can take 3 priest as a single elite choice. you can put the 3 priest on 3 different unit, of course
- you can buy a razorback and embark only one squad inside. or noone. you can also buy a razorback if you have a 7-men squad and noone embarked
- remember razorback are fragile: av11 means will explode as soon as they will shoot at him (unless are a poor shooter) so keep him away from fire: use something else to distract them, keep it on your side as a moving las/plas turret... if you're planning on using them to deliver assault marine into enemy territories and assault with them you can think about drop pod or jump-running behind cover

So the BA part is:

1 Libby with jump pack
1 squad of 10 ASM combat squads
1 Sang. Priest

The bit i'm confused by is the ASM in a razorback, it counts as one squad but half the squad are in the Razorback. I was under the impression you needed to roll for Combat Squads - is this true? or is that the red thirst...

I did a little modifying to your list on the Tau side to try and help things out. Take it as you will =)

Commander: NSJ, CCN, PEN, MSSS, XV8-02 battlesuit
Cadre Fireblade
Librarian with power sword and jump pack

X1 Riptide with VC and SI
X1 Sanguinary Priest

X12 Firewarrior
X15 kroot plus a kroot rider
X10 jump pack assault marines

X4 pathfinder
X4 pathfinder

X3 broadside, 2 missle drone per broadside

I don't really know blood angels well. I didnt modify any of the assault marines for special weapons. same with the priest. Apparently you cant take a razorback with a assault squad if they have jump packs?

Anyways, the list i posted nets about 1430 points.

Edit: I forgot the crisis team! If you drop 2 missle drones and a broadside, you can have X3 crisis with X2 weapons on each suit. That would bring the army total to 1492.

Thanks for replying, dunno about jump packs (I don't even have the BA codex). I like the list, but I really like Darkstrider for his -1Toughness (lets me insta-kill my friends Canoptek Scarabs > ) and Fighting retreat (consolidates d6 after overwatch fired, but before charge distance rolled). I feel the Commander would be wasted with the Broadsides, because Commanders are meant to be mobile. But the Broadsides are a good idea and I really like them, and I already have one with the missile drones, but I think I'm not to use as many missile drones, and use the points saved and the spares to make a Crisis team. Good list, but I don't think i'll use it, but I like broadsides.

EDIT: Didn't see you are edit, but yeah,

What about ASM in Razorbacks? if you take 10x ASM then don't combat squad em, just take ten with a sang priest and jump up and hope you either get in combat or score, whatever you want them to do.(Don't know much about Tau, sorry)

I figured your squad was going to be jump packs, because you gave your librarian a jump pack. Thought he was gonna run around with them.

The commander I listed joins the riptide and twin links the heavy burst cannon, ignores cover, and gives monster/tank hunter *hbc can eat up landraiders this way!* He can also jump ships to the broadside team to give them monster hunter for those pesky monstrous creatures. The Neuroweb jammer is one of my favorite kits. Something shooting alot of shots at you? Now it gets hot for a 2 point investment.
Pathfinders make the rest of your army really shine through increased ballistics!
Broadsides are...broadsides. You can throw out a ridiculous number of dice with a squad. even a 2 man squad with 4 missle drones would throw 16 S7 shots, and 8 S5 ignore cover shots.
If your buddy runs alot of scarabs, maybe adjust the points around for an ionhead? Or for 5 points you can switch the HBC on the riptide to an ion accel and drop a S8 AP2 plate on them *Swarms die super fast to templates XD*

But yea it's taken some getting used to playing this codex compared to back in 5th edition. Good luck!

Thanks, yeah Libby running around with DC was my orignal idea, but thats now ASM, thats pretty much sorted. No Razorback (might take a Baal Predator? Thoughts?) Don't know anything about Priests, they'll be fun to try out. Does Brother Corbulo count as a expensive Priest? I see what you mean about the Commander, and I think I'm going to do it. I have the Tau battleforce, so what set-up should i run the crisis's? Stimgens w/ 2 TL missile, TL fusion w/ target lock?
Thanks for the help

 Glorywarrior wrote:
What about ASM in Razorbacks? if you take 10x ASM then don't combat squad em, just take ten with a sang priest and jump up and hope you either get in combat or score, whatever you want them to do.(Don't know much about Tau, sorry)

if you buy razor for ASM you lose the jump pack
that's why you got razorback so cheap
afaik...

I would leave the BA in jump packs. Use them to protect your Tau. Assault anything getting close and keep them close to be covered by your Tau. The only issue with razorbacks is the light armor and it is not an assault vehicle. Of course ASM can score on objectives. Priest can help with FNP and furious charge. Corbulo is not bad. Rending, FNP+2 for him only, and re-roll on anything just once during the game Just put him out in front of any unit to tank and take hits.

If I miss anything I am sure someone else will say something.

One more thing I would not load to much into BA into your Tau army. Tau is very good already. Use BA as a speed bump.

Good luck

Thanks cannon, yeah thats the plan. Idk anything about BA, can Sang Priests get jump packs, and are they independent characters? Because if no to them, how will they keep up with ASM and Libby, and how will he give them buffs? Or should I just use a standard Apothecary, or is a Priest just the BA version of that? I'm happy with the 10x ASM = JumpLibby, I think I'll stick with that for now. Now to work out the points cost of the new Tau stuff...

Por'o Kais wrote:
Thanks cannon, yeah thats the plan. Idk anything about BA, can Sang Priests get jump packs, and are they independent characters? Because if no to them, how will they keep up with ASM and Libby, and how will he give them buffs? Or should I just use a standard Apothecary, or is a Priest just the BA version of that? I'm happy with the 10x ASM = JumpLibby, I think I'll stick with that for now. Now to work out the points cost of the new Tau stuff...

Yeah Sanguinary Priest is an IC and can get jump pack
however, it give FNP to "every unit from codex: Blood Angels in 6" from him". so not just his unit. Oh and give FC too...

If you are taking ASM with packs, you need to give them a SP. It is important.

Glorywarrior has the right of it, the SP keeps them alive while they hop up the board.

Honestly I'm more of a fan of 5 man ASM squads in Razorbacks; more shooting, more armor, and can provide cover should it come to that.

Here's what I would do for a BA detachment to a Tau army.

Librarian, bare. Rolls on Divination cause we have access to them and we get two rolls and Div is awesome. Stick him in a unit of Broadsides for cover ignoring, twin linking shenanigans. You can give him Epistolary if you want to cast both powers each turn. You get both rolls either way.

Next, 5 Death Company with jump packs and one Powerfist and Lemartes. Lemartes is the beastliest of beasty Chaplain characters. He allows his unit to reroll hits and wounds in the first round just like a regular reclusiarch with Death Company but as soon as he takes a wound, he becomes a monster. He hits at I6, with Str 7 (8 on the charge, rerolling, because of FC and Chaplain rules) with 6 (8 on the charge because of rage) attacks AP4 and concussive. If I didn't care about scoring, I would find a way to take Lemartes. Or Gabriel Seth. But Seth can't fly. Mephiston is a good option too but he's 250 pts all by himself and can't get a unit no matter what. Lemartes has to be in a unit so he always has his FnP marine meatshields to fly with and that hidden powerfist the DC are packing.

This detachment altogether is 450 pts or 500 pts if you take the Libby's Epistolary upgrade and buffs your main detachment as well as giving you a wrecking ball that you can throw away with abandon as it doesn't score anyway and they just want to smash face.

As if that wasn't enough (I just looked at his rules again) his god damn face-masher is master crafted. Suck on that Grey Knights. You aren't the only ones with neato relic-hammers.

5 DC will die. IMO.

 bocatt wrote:
Here's what I would do for a BA detachment to a Tau army.

I'm not anhuge fan of DC, and 5 DC will die pretty soon... 5x Jump DC + Lemartes is 325 points (if i'm correct); with 330 you get 5 Termies with TH/SS and Corbulo. Of course they are slow BUT deadly against... well... anything...?
however, DC are troops and termies not, so you'll need to squeeze more points into this unit

Btw, BA Libby can't join Tau units 'cause they are conveniene allies. Only Battle Brothers' IC can join allied unit

each-uisge wrote:

 bocatt wrote:
Here's what I would do for a BA detachment to a Tau army.

Btw, BA Libby can't join Tau units 'cause they are conveniene allies. Only Battle Brothers' IC can join allied unit

Oh my gosh. Completely forgot about this scrap everything I just said.

Por'o Kais wrote:
I have the Tau battleforce, so what set-up should i run the crisis's? Stimgens w/ 2 TL missile, TL fusion w/ target lock? Thanks for the help

Well the great thing about crisis suits is they are great for kitting out for different roles. You need to have a game plan for them, then stick to it. Usually go same X2 of the same weapon for the entire squad. Trying to swiss army knife a team just doesn't work. Here's some configurations and explanations:

X2 missle pods on all 3 suits: These guys sit back in cover or with your gunline and break light armor tanks. Thats 12 S7 missles firing at bs3 (or better if you have markerlight support) at a max 36 inch range. You want to get the troops out of their boxes and hoofing it, instead of them unloading in your grill. I have seen some put VC on these guys, but that's too rich for my blood, especially when you have better options for AA.
X2 plasma rifles on all 3 suits: this kit is for killing pesky 2+ armor guys. They can also deep strike and blast into a squad (as long as you don't scatter). Rapid fire at 12 inches nets you 12 S6 AP2 shots. Or keep them on foot with your main army if you're expecting termies to be incoming. They have a decent 24 inch range.
X2 fusion blaster on all 3 suits: Deep strike, and shoot melta into any metal boxes and see pieces fly everywhere. S8 AP1, melta profile. Give 2 target locks so you can possibly blow up 3 tanks the turn you deep strike. Hopefully you don't scatter bad. I would NOT hoof them. Ever. And after they deep strike and blow stuff up, expect them to be hated fiercely.

I see you have stim injectors on your suits. Don't bother to be honest. They're only toughness 4, so alot of people will shoot Lascannons or meltas at them and watch them die if they miss their cover. You can put those points elsewhere. You don't have to fill all 3 hardpoints.