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I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

Well Mephiston is anyway. He was the libby with axe.

Mephiston- Yes

Sgt Lorenzo- Maybe? I seem to remember he died in-game, but lived in the novilization.

Everyone else: Nope.

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

There is no canonical limit to a Space Marine's age. There is some belief that they may be biologically immortal, though all of them know they will never live long enough to test the theory. Other information suggests that this is not true, however.

Bjorn, for example, is 10,000+ years old, though he is interred in a dreadnought (still, his remaining meaty bits are still kicking), Dante is some 1200 years old (and Blood Angels are noted for living longer than other Space Marines), so it's possible for a Space Marine from M38/M39 to, potentially, still be around.

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

..... Space is a crazy place, the warp can cause time travel. Imagine getting on a ghost ship in the void, and suddenly it vanishes....appearing 100s of years in the future (current game time line). But the marines feel like only hours or days passed....

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

..... Space is a crazy place, the warp can cause time travel. Imagine getting on a ghost ship in the void, and suddenly it vanishes....appearing 100s of years in the future (current game time line). But the marines feel like only hours or days passed....

Or other way around!

Some CSM might be 100000 years old for all we know.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

..... Space is a crazy place, the warp can cause time travel. Imagine getting on a ghost ship in the void, and suddenly it vanishes....appearing 100s of years in the future (current game time line). But the marines feel like only hours or days passed....

Or other way around!

????? You mean 40k models being used in horus heresy (30k) game? Not sure who'd allow that....

We also have a non stasis, non warp related 10k year old dark angel in pandorax, so if not immortal... damn long lived.

I would allow 40k models in a 30k game untill he got the right ones

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

..... Space is a crazy place, the warp can cause time travel. Imagine getting on a ghost ship in the void, and suddenly it vanishes....appearing 100s of years in the future (current game time line). But the marines feel like only hours or days passed....

Or other way around!

????? You mean 40k models being used in horus heresy (30k) game? Not sure who'd allow that....

No, as in.

Guy from 30K appears in the 40K universe.

But instead of being 10K years old at that point as you'd expect, he is 100K years old, since for him time was much slower in the warp.

Just as likely as him only being 1K years old.

 Psienesis wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

There is no canonical limit to a Space Marine's age. There is some belief that they may be biologically immortal, though all of them know they will never live long enough to test the theory. Other information suggests that this is not true, however.

Bjorn, for example, is 10,000+ years old, though he is interred in a dreadnought (still, his remaining meaty bits are still kicking), Dante is some 1200 years old (and Blood Angels are noted for living longer than other Space Marines), so it's possible for a Space Marine from M38/M39 to, potentially, still be around.

I know this is the accepted canon, but the two things are mutually exclusive when you stop and think about it.

Probably better to say Blood Angels age more slowly than other chapters.

So in all regards it would be ok to use 3rd edition terminators in the present day as blood angels late known to live longer plus there are already examples of marines living over that. Is there any documented proof that apart from former mephiston and Lorenzo the others are actually dead or merely missing in action?

A squad that spends the majority of its time rooting around in genestealer-infested space hulks


probably doesn't have many surviving members.

 kerikhaos wrote:
So in all regards it would be ok to use 3rd edition terminators in the present day as blood angels late known to live longer plus there are already examples of marines living over that. Is there any documented proof that apart from former mephiston and Lorenzo the others are actually dead or merely missing in action?

There is nothing official on what happened to them, and they are your army, so do as you please

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
I'm not quite sure with the time lines but what era are the blood angel terminators from in the space hulk 3rd edition board game and do they still exist now in the present warhammer era? Space marines live up to a 1000 years right? I'm just asking to see if I can incorporate them into a present day army instead of just a rogue trader era army.

..... Space is a crazy place, the warp can cause time travel. Imagine getting on a ghost ship in the void, and suddenly it vanishes....appearing 100s of years in the future (current game time line). But the marines feel like only hours or days passed....

Or other way around!

Some CSM might be 100000 years old for all we know.

There are ten thousand year old CSM's. Although there's also time dilation and mutations for everyone.

Sweet. That answers it then. My terminators have returned to their chapter ready to fight another war as 10k year old veterans with a ton load of experience

I converted all my Space Hulk r2 terminators to Dark Angels. Never had a problem fielding them, and don't ever expect to.

Looking good.

I currently use my 3rd ed Space Hulk terminators as the basis for a army of Blood Angels 1st Co. but that uses Deathwing rules. The best thing about 40K is to remember that not all of the battles have to take place in the end of M41. Otherwise no one could use Eldrad Ulthran in their Eldar armies, as he didn;t survive the 13th Black Crusade.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I currently use my 3rd ed Space Hulk terminators as the basis for a army of Blood Angels 1st Co. but that uses Deathwing rules. The best thing about 40K is to remember that not all of the battles have to take place in the end of M41. Otherwise no one could use Eldrad Ulthran in their Eldar armies, as he didn;t survive the 13th Black Crusade.

That makes perfect sense but the main fact that there isn't any hard coded facts about the true events on board the space hulk during the time of the 3rd edition it's more than safe to line them in without problem with my current crew.

They finally broke threw victorious but got stuck in the warp on route home. The result was after some horrific events surviving the warp mephiston is discovered to have delivered his entire team of brothers safely out without any casualties. Thereafter he has proven to be unique amongst the blood angels and was appointed the chief librarian. Having survived the black rage plus keeping it together for so many thousands of years that's what makes him what he is today. Only in my story he still has his brothers behind him like an honor guard. All surviving the impossible. A true group of veteran legends.

That's my justification story. Sound believable or cheesy???

 kerikhaos wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I currently use my 3rd ed Space Hulk terminators as the basis for a army of Blood Angels 1st Co. but that uses Deathwing rules. The best thing about 40K is to remember that not all of the battles have to take place in the end of M41. Otherwise no one could use Eldrad Ulthran in their Eldar armies, as he didn;t survive the 13th Black Crusade.

That makes perfect sense but the main fact that there isn't any hard coded facts about the true events on board the space hulk during the time of the 3rd edition it's more than safe to line them in without problem with my current crew.

They finally broke threw victorious but got stuck in the warp on route home. The result was after some horrific events surviving the warp mephiston is discovered to have delivered his entire team of brothers safely out without any casualties. Thereafter he has proven to be unique amongst the blood angels and was appointed the chief librarian. Having survived the black rage plus keeping it together for so many thousands of years that's what makes him what he is today. Only in my story he still has his brothers behind him like an honor guard. All surviving the impossible. A true group of veteran legends.

That's my justification story. Sound believable or cheesy???

Totally breaks Mephiston's fluff but it is your 40K so tell the story how you like
His original story I guess presumes that he did survive, and then while fighting in some war he fell to the black rage and was inducted into the Death Company. He and his fellow flying rodent gak brothers leveled a building on top of them, and somehow Brother Calistarius (not sure if that was his exact name but I think it is pretty close) survived for seven days. During this time he defeated the black rage and punched out of the rubble, mutilated a bunch of orks, and then returned and was named Mephiston, Lord of Death.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I currently use my 3rd ed Space Hulk terminators as the basis for a army of Blood Angels 1st Co. but that uses Deathwing rules. The best thing about 40K is to remember that not all of the battles have to take place in the end of M41. Otherwise no one could use Eldrad Ulthran in their Eldar armies, as he didn;t survive the 13th Black Crusade.

That makes perfect sense but the main fact that there isn't any hard coded facts about the true events on board the space hulk during the time of the 3rd edition it's more than safe to line them in without problem with my current crew.

They finally broke threw victorious but got stuck in the warp on route home. The result was after some horrific events surviving the warp mephiston is discovered to have delivered his entire team of brothers safely out without any casualties. Thereafter he has proven to be unique amongst the blood angels and was appointed the chief librarian. Having survived the black rage plus keeping it together for so many thousands of years that's what makes him what he is today. Only in my story he still has his brothers behind him like an honor guard. All surviving the impossible. A true group of veteran legends.

That's my justification story. Sound believable or cheesy???

Totally breaks Mephiston's fluff but it is your 40K so tell the story how you like
His original story I guess presumes that he did survive, and then while fighting in some war he fell to the black rage and was inducted into the Death Company. He and his fellow flying rodent gak brothers leveled a building on top of them, and somehow Brother Calistarius (not sure if that was his exact name but I think it is pretty close) survived for seven days. During this time he defeated the black rage and punched out of the rubble, mutilated a bunch of orks, and then returned and was named Mephiston, Lord of Death.

Totally agree but was there any indication his other brothers at the time died from the space hulk part of the story to the original fluff about mephy? They could of all survived the building and the seven days pain from the black rage and on route home they had their own adventures in the warp and then joined the death company later? Possible now???

It's possible only mephiston fell to the black rage and was sent to the Death Company,after he mastered it he once more took his former brothers as a honor guard.

The fluff's yours tho so take whatever you like

SM live for about 2000 years, and these are terminator armoured-marines, so they have a good chance of surviving up to the present day.

Sounds solid. Plus I think BA live much longer than other chapters anyway don't they? But mephiston must be something like 10k years old right since he was pre heracy?

 kerikhaos wrote:
But mephiston must be something like 10k years old right since he was pre heracy?

No. he appeared sometime in the early 41st millennium.

Yes he re appeared in the 41st but weren't the events if space when he was known as calistarius or something was during sometime in 31st?.

 kerikhaos wrote:
Yes he re appeared in the 41st but weren't the events if space when he was known as calistarius or something was during sometime in 31st?.

I have no idea what you are trying to say....

 kerikhaos wrote:
Yes he re appeared in the 41st but weren't the events if space when he was known as calistarius or something was during sometime in 31st?.

Nope.

He has not appeared before M41.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 kerikhaos wrote:
Yes he re appeared in the 41st but weren't the events if space when he was known as calistarius or something was during sometime in 31st?.

Nope.

He has not appeared before M41.

So how old is he then 2000 years old or 10000? Why did I think he was near to 10k years old???

So the events of space hulk were during m41?

Space Hulk 3rd editions fluff opens with the near annihilation of the Chapter at Secoris in 998.M40, the actual campaign in the game is the boarding of the Sin of Damnation 600 years later, during which they find an artifact that had been lost shortly after the Siege of Terra - that's probably where you're getting the Heresy era thing from.

Calistarius was only a Lexicanum during the boarding of the Sin of Damnation, that's the lowest rank of Librarian - one so low you can't even it field in 40k anymore - so I doubt he was more than a century or two old at the time, and he only became Mephiston during the 2nd Armageddon War which was less than 60 years ago.

Lorenzo was stated to have been over 650 years old at the time of the boarding of the Sin of Damnation, so if he were still alive he'd be of a similar age to Dante, but that's not unheard of - BA used to have a character named Cleutin who was so old he was 'rumoured to have been Dante's scout sergeant' (historical trivia: Lorenzo first appeared in Space Hulk 2nd edition - he wasn't on the Sin of Damnation campaign, but in the two subsequent campaigns: the first as a Sergeant and the second as the Captain in charge).