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Hi all
i found no reference to the "grapple" abilities on Rulebook; however i found it on BA codex of 5th edition
and is'nt really clear...

so:
- first i need to shoot at the veichle
- then i do damage (S8 AP1 is still a good anti tank veichle)
- then if i hit i can roll 8+1d6 vs his armour; if successfull i can move him to 2d6"
right?

and then questions:
a) i check against higher av? lower av? front av? or the av of the face i'm pointing at?
b) if i use them on something similar with force field (ie Necron annihilators), i check against standard av, or av modified by force field?
c) he can cover save the grapple effect?
d) i can force him to tank shock his own troops? or ram his veichles? (or just let him "ram" piece of terrain like ruins, walls, or wrecked veichles)
e) if target veichle is an hovering one, i can move him across impassable terrain as long as he end up on plain (ie not impassable) terrain?
f) if he ends up on difficolt terrain he still have to roll for dangerous terrain or it's stopped at terrain's border?

ty for your help!

a) highest AV, as the rules state.
b) rules do not say unmodified AV, so it would use the modified AV.
c) cover saves only apply to wounds, and glancing/penetrating hits.
d) tank shock, yes. Ram, no.
e and f) the vehicle stops as soon as it moves within 1"of difficult or impassable terrain.

Also i think the 2d6 move must be directly towards the dreadnought firing the magna grapple.

And the grapples are AP 2

I pulled a Warhound titan to my Furioso - it was awesome, sadly moments later the 'stomp' attacked turned my dread into dust.

 Gunzhard wrote:
I pulled a Warhound titan to my Furioso - it was awesome, sadly moments later the 'stomp' attacked turned my dread into dust.

loool

If the distance rolled is enough to drag the model in b2b, is this counting as charging and count as engaged? or is the assault phase the only time a model can be brought into combat?

 ScabiusBile wrote:
If the distance rolled is enough to drag the model in b2b, is this counting as charging and count as engaged? or is the assault phase the only time a model can be brought into combat?

the latter. The grapple doesn't give you permission to engage in combat

 CrownAxe wrote:

 ScabiusBile wrote:
If the distance rolled is enough to drag the model in b2b, is this counting as charging and count as engaged? or is the assault phase the only time a model can be brought into combat?

the latter. The grapple doesn't give you permission to engage in combat

But it doesn't matter because you should just declare a charge in your assault phase against the vehicle you moved close to you anyway.

You will get the +1 attack charge bonus and everything.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 ScabiusBile wrote:
If the distance rolled is enough to drag the model in b2b, is this counting as charging and count as engaged? or is the assault phase the only time a model can be brought into combat?

the latter. The grapple doesn't give you permission to engage in combat

But it doesn't matter because you should just declare a charge in your assault phase against the vehicle you moved close to you anyway.

You will get the +1 attack charge bonus and everything.

It would matter if you couldn't charge for some reason, like you arrived from reserves or are immobilised. But no, the grapple cannot drag a vehicle into combat, as the dragged vehicle must stop 1" away from other vehicles.

Interesting idea here:
You drop pod a DC Dread with a grapple, target and grapple a vindicator ass end. Immobilize it. Drag it to you in B2B.
When you get to the assault phase you can not charge, but if it is in b2b with you already you can still cc with it.
Does this sound right? I mean, I really do not know how to handle that one.

Chrysis wrote:
It would matter if you couldn't charge for some reason, like you arrived from reserves or are immobilised. But no, the grapple cannot drag a vehicle into combat, as the dragged vehicle must stop 1" away from other vehicles.

Since you can't come into contact with the vehicle (as mentioned in the quote) then you don't have the issue you're concerned with.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Interesting idea here:
You drop pod a DC Dread with a grapple, target and grapple a vindicator ass end. Immobilize it. Drag it to you in B2B.
When you get to the assault phase you can not charge, but if it is in b2b with you already you can still cc with it.
Does this sound right? I mean, I really do not know how to handle that one.

The vindicator wouldn't be in base contact so no swings