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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 15:00:54
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Reading through codex/books, etc, you'll occasionally read references to a chapter's geneseed being particularly pure (Dark Angels, Ultramarines) or less so (Blood Angels, Thousand Sons).
Where in a ranking do y'all think the 18 known legions fall compared to each other?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 15:36:42
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Hallowed Canoness
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Hmm, well, not sure about the rest, but I reckon Sanguinius is at the very bottom, with Magnus above him and Night Haunter just above that.
Sanguinius being a hyper-psychic freak with wings, of all things, and Magnus being just a hair better (at least his psychic power was deliberate on their father's part), and Kurze had all that filthy darkness adaptation going on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 15:58:40
Subject: Re:Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don't think any of the Primarchs had gene-seed. Otherwise an Apothecary could've made new Primarchs from an old ones post-Emperor (well, I suppose they did try to clone Horus.. not sure if that counts).
As for the (Loyal) Space Marines, they used to have that little chart
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 17:57:52
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Drakhun
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Word Bearers was quite high up there (had a tendency to be slightly fanatical) and so was the Emperor's Children. I also imagine that the Luna Wolves was also pretty good, seeing as they had one of the largest legions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 22:44:02
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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That chart is inaccurate for gene seed purity
100% of Imperial Fists have to no acid issue... yeah basically the whole thing is wrong
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 22:47:37
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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I feel like Space Wolves as much as I love them, would probably be towards the incredibly unpure what with the whole genetic mutation thing >.>
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 22:55:58
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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jakejackjake wrote:That chart is inaccurate for gene seed purity
100% of Imperial Fists have to no acid issue... yeah basically the whole thing is wrong
Is that a mutation though? If it happens 100% of the time, then surely it's no longer a mutation of such. The same with the Raven guard, all their skin goes white and their eyes jet black... It's not exactly a mutation any longer as it's expected to happen. Automatically Appended Next Post: Furyou Miko wrote:Hmm, well, not sure about the rest, but I reckon Sanguinius is at the very bottom, with Magnus above him and Night Haunter just above that.
Sanguinius being a hyper-psychic freak with wings, of all things, and Magnus being just a hair better (at least his psychic power was deliberate on their father's part), and Kurze had all that filthy darkness adaptation going on.
There is a distinct chance that Sanguinius' wings were not a mutation that grew unexpectedly, but were by design from the big E.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 23:50:43
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Dakka Veteran
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Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 23:52:47
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Drakhun
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jakejackjake wrote:Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
Their skin goes black as coal and their eyes are red. They are also slightly slower than your average marine, although they are tougher.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 23:53:47
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote:Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
Their skin goes black as coal and their eyes are red. They are also slightly slower than your average marine, although they are tougher.
And none of that is due to geneseed but from being on high gravity radiated planet
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/09 23:56:50
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Furyou Miko wrote:Hmm, well, not sure about the rest, but I reckon Sanguinius is at the very bottom, with Magnus above him and Night Haunter just above that.
Sanguinius being a hyper-psychic freak with wings, of all things, and Magnus being just a hair better (at least his psychic power was deliberate on their father's part), and Kurze had all that filthy darkness adaptation going on.
No, Magnus is the worst. The Thousand Sons can't even create new astartes with their gene seed last I checked, with everyone reduced to either chaos spawn or rubric marines/chaos sorcerers. It has absolutely zero stability. The Blood Angels are actually fairly stable compared to some of the other legions like the Space Wolves. Magnus/Thousand Sons is at the bottom, Guilliman/Ultramarines is at the top. However, I don't think that the Salamander's obsidian black skin counts as a mutation, as it's simply a trait inherited from their primarch. If anything, they're incredibly stable. The only question for their mutation is if the Black Dragons are actually descended from the Salamanders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 00:01:14
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Drakhun
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jakejackjake wrote: welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote:Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
Their skin goes black as coal and their eyes are red. They are also slightly slower than your average marine, although they are tougher.
And none of that is due to geneseed but from being on high gravity radiated planet
I'm pretty sure the radiation has butchered that poor geneseed over the millennium.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 00:02:34
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote: welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote:Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
Their skin goes black as coal and their eyes are red. They are also slightly slower than your average marine, although they are tougher.
And none of that is due to geneseed but from being on high gravity radiated planet
I'm pretty sure the radiation has butchered that poor geneseed over the millennium.
No, it's because that's what Vulkan looked exactly like. Every Salamander is a near perfect example of what Vulkan looked like. It's not due to any radiation or defect, it's simply how Vulkan always looked.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 00:06:34
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Drakhun
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Wyzilla wrote: welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote: welshhoppo wrote:jakejackjake wrote:Salamanders have a 90% mutation rate? I thought they were pretty stable as far as geneseed goes
Their skin goes black as coal and their eyes are red. They are also slightly slower than your average marine, although they are tougher.
And none of that is due to geneseed but from being on high gravity radiated planet
I'm pretty sure the radiation has butchered that poor geneseed over the millennium.
No, it's because that's what Vulkan looked exactly like. Every Salamander is a near perfect example of what Vulkan looked like. It's not due to any radiation or defect, it's simply how Vulkan always looked.
It's debatable whether it is the planet itself or the geneseed. (Referenced from Lexicanum)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 00:10:41
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Their Index astartes says their geneseed is stable if I remember right. It's a little ambiguous as everything in 40k
And no Vulkan looked that way because of Nocturne not his genetics
If the no acid of the Imperial Fists isn't a mutation and that happens 100% of the time then neither are the Red eyes and stuff that happens to 100% of Salamanders C wut I did Thur?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 01:28:07
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Alpha Legion must be incredibly stable. I mean they fell to chaos and there still is virtually no mutation in the gene.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army  so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 02:41:34
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Silverthorne wrote:Alpha Legion must be incredibly stable. I mean they fell to chaos and there still is virtually no mutation in the gene.
that we know about
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 06:13:57
Subject: Re:Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Zweischneid wrote:I don't think any of the Primarchs had gene-seed. Otherwise an Apothecary could've made new Primarchs from an old ones post-Emperor (well, I suppose they did try to clone Horus.. not sure if that counts).
As for the (Loyal) Space Marines, they used to have that little chart

I had always assumed that chart was created under the understanding that, the standard for determining the purity of gene-seeds of the astartes are based on that of the Ultramarines -- after all, I believe it's mentioned somewhere that most chapters are descendents of, or otherwise created with stocks mostly taken from the Ultramarines. Therefore those chapters that exhibit the most "impurity" are those that are the most physically distinguishable from your everyday smurfs (which would makes sense consider how SW with their whole canis motif, BA with their winged and psychically potent primarch, Salamanders with their... eh, immortal gene-father, etc.).
I'd find it unlikely if there were such standards before the heresy (in the current settings, anyways), considering at that time, Mars had nothing to do with storing gene-seeds. Also, missing Progenoid Glands might not count as deviation from the norm, it's just that, some chapter might have a few abilities... missing, is all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 07:13:01
Subject: Re:Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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that chart is perhaps best viewed as "gene seed stability" in short how likely it is to vary from the core gene seed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 18:38:42
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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We'll this I can say: Dark angels and Ultramarines probably have on of the stablest gene seeds. Oh and are you forgetting that the Space Wolves cannot create sub-chapters (or whatever their called?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 18:47:24
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I believe the DA codex puts their geneseed at even more stable than that of the Ultramarines, which makes their lack of successor chapters something of note to those who are aware of this
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 18:51:25
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Dannyrulx wrote:We'll this I can say: Dark angels and Ultramarines probably have on of the stablest gene seeds. Oh and are you forgetting that the Space Wolves cannot create sub-chapters (or whatever their called?)
quite possiably, it also explains the imperial fists low percentage chance. even then it already has lost something, by and large it's stable and the chances of additional changes is unlikely
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 19:29:52
Subject: Re:Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Wow, looks like GW used to be pretty racist...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/10 20:58:53
Subject: Re:Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Pre-heresy the Emperor's Childrem were obsessed with gene seed purity which was a reason they recruited much slower than the other legions... They had a disaster with their gene seed early on and since then made sure all their seed was as 'perfect' as possible Automatically Appended Next Post: Dannyrulx wrote:We'll this I can say: Dark angels and Ultramarines probably have on of the stablest gene seeds. Oh and are you forgetting that the Space Wolves cannot create sub-chapters (or whatever their called?)
This is correct, the space wolves cannot create successor chapters thanks to Magnus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/11 16:29:37
Subject: Legions/Primarchs ranked by purity of geneseed
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Bewitched Vassal of Angmar
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Furyou Miko wrote:Hmm, well, not sure about the rest, but I reckon Sanguinius is at the very bottom, with Magnus above him and Night Haunter just above that.
Sanguinius being a hyper-psychic freak with wings, of all things, and Magnus being just a hair better (at least his psychic power was deliberate on their father's part), and Kurze had all that filthy darkness adaptation going on.
Actually the Night Lords gene seed is still quite pure as they mainly stay out of the eye of terror, the only problem that it has are the foresight abilities Kurze had. The skin tone, eyes, and hair were in the genetics of those born on Nostromo as it was in perpetual night. The Haunter's enhanced physiology adapted to the Nostroman environment, leading many of the marines to have pale skin and night vision, on top of those recruited from the home planet itself.
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