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News to me. The Blood Angels sent 3 companies to help mop up Behemoth after the Battle for Macragge, and the Ultramarines accepted Dante's command of Astartes forces during the 2nd Armageddon War.
News to me also, what's your source?
Codex Blood Angels has them being pretty thankful to Guilliman fr providing them structure after the death of Sanguinius.
Now, we like big books. (And we cannot lie. You other readers can’t deny, a book flops open with an itty-bitty font, and a map that’s in your face, you get—sorry! Sorry!)
Thanks mate, not really based off anything. My mates (BA and Tau) Seem to have the Idea that on one of the omnibuses there's a picture of an annoyed sanguinius next to a happy Guilliman. Forget it if it's wrong.
Dannyrulx wrote: Thanks mate, not really based off anything. My mates (BA and Tau) Seem to have the Idea that on one of the omnibuses there's a picture of an annoyed sanguinius next to a happy Guilliman. Forget it if it's wrong.
he's proably thinking the cover of Unremembered Empire.
long story short sangy isn't exactly annoyed with Gulliman, he's just not terriably pleased to be in the position he is. without revealing too many spoilers, Gulliman is basicly declaring him "heir to the Imperial, should the emperor be dead"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Mind you, it's pretty easy to see why there would be bad blood. The ultra marines' primarch is the one who drew up the codex astartes, and the BA not going really with it is kind of telling the ultramarines to screw off and that they don't think that guilliman knew best for them. Space Vampires aren't know for being looked upon highly by the imperium
And in all of the books I've read I think "arse" is a good word to use for a space marines, being the arrogant SOBs that they are. Pretty much all the different founding legions look upon others as inferiors, not being the perfect man that granddaddy wanted.
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thetallestgiraffe wrote: Mind you, it's pretty easy to see why there would be bad blood. The ultra marines' primarch is the one who drew up the codex astartes, and the BA not going really with it.
The Blood Angels Chapter follows the Codex Astartes very closely. They have a few deviations, of which the Death Company is probably the biggest. Officer positions with different names, but that's minor. Their other deviations is more about what equipment they have in abundance, like Land Raiders which are so common that they use them as dedicated transports and drop them from Thunderhawks. And every single BA marine likes jump packs so there's seldom shortages of assault marines when squads are ad-hoc filled up on campaign - but they started the campaign with the proper ratio of troops. In the papers they have the standard line companies the Codex Astartes dictates.
The Space Wolves, on the other hand... they just piss on the Codex.
Dannyrulx wrote: Thanks mate, not really based off anything. My mates (BA and Tau) Seem to have the Idea that on one of the omnibuses there's a picture of an annoyed sanguinius next to a happy Guilliman. Forget it if it's wrong.
he's proably thinking the cover of Unremembered Empire.
thetallestgiraffe wrote: Mind you, it's pretty easy to see why there would be bad blood. The ultra marines' primarch is the one who drew up the codex astartes, and the BA not going really with it.
The Blood Angels Chapter follows the Codex Astartes very closely. They have a few deviations, of which the Death Company is probably the biggest. Officer positions with different names, but that's minor. Their other deviations is more about what equipment they have in abundance, like Land Raiders which are so common that they use them as dedicated transports and drop them from Thunderhawks. And every single BA marine likes jump packs so there's seldom shortages of assault marines when squads are ad-hoc filled up on campaign - but they started the campaign with the proper ratio of troops. In the papers they have the standard line companies the Codex Astartes dictates.
The Space Wolves, on the other hand... they just piss on the Codex.
The further marines get from Codex Astartes, they better they get. Sounds like whomever wrote it was a moron.
thetallestgiraffe wrote: Mind you, it's pretty easy to see why there would be bad blood. The ultra marines' primarch is the one who drew up the codex astartes, and the BA not going really with it.
The Blood Angels Chapter follows the Codex Astartes very closely. They have a few deviations, of which the Death Company is probably the biggest. Officer positions with different names, but that's minor. Their other deviations is more about what equipment they have in abundance, like Land Raiders which are so common that they use them as dedicated transports and drop them from Thunderhawks. And every single BA marine likes jump packs so there's seldom shortages of assault marines when squads are ad-hoc filled up on campaign - but they started the campaign with the proper ratio of troops. In the papers they have the standard line companies the Codex Astartes dictates.
The Space Wolves, on the other hand... they just piss on the Codex.
The further marines get from Codex Astartes, they better they get. Sounds like whomever wrote it was a moron.
That is the best way ive ever heard it explained so far
Azreal13 wrote: Not that it matters because given the amount of interbreeding that went on with that lot I'm pretty sure the Queen is her own Uncle.
BA 6000; 1250
Really this thread just failed on about 3 levels, you should all feel bad and do better.-motyak
The further marines get from Codex Astartes, they better they get. Sounds like whomever wrote it was a moron.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the fact is, the Ultramarines are the most successful, stable chapter in the Imperium. They are even above Imperial writ, not having to pay normal tithes and have their own entire star system to sustain themselves and draw recruits from, not to mention that system tanked the whole First Tyrannic war by itself.
DA/BA/SW? Go back to your corner, fellas.
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None of the Space Marine chapters pay tithes. They are required to submit samples of their geneseed periodically, and even the Ultramarines are not exempt of that.
Orblivion wrote: None of the Space Marine chapters pay tithes. They are required to submit samples of their geneseed periodically, and even the Ultramarines are not exempt of that.
I should have specified planets in the Ultramar system is what I'm referring to there. They pay tithes, but to the Ultras themselves, and not necessarily subject to the random, brutal Imperial demands when they are in need. At least I'm pretty sure of this, I think it was even in the latest codex.
Orblivion wrote: None of the Space Marine chapters pay tithes. They are required to submit samples of their geneseed periodically, and even the Ultramarines are not exempt of that.
I should have specified planets in the Ultramar system is what I'm referring to there. They pay tithes, but to the Ultras themselves, and not necessarily subject to the random, brutal Imperial demands when they are in need. At least I'm pretty sure of this, I think it was even in the latest codex.
All space marine home worlds are exempt from tithes. Ultramarines are unique (as far as I know) in that rather then a single world, they have a small cluster of systems that are “theirs” and thus don’t pay the normal imperial taxes.
"Unknown to the Ultramarines, Hive Fleet Behemoth was in reality separated into two forces, leapfrogging each other as they gorged on the worlds they invaded. The Ultramarines' victory at Macragge had only destroyed half of the enemy's strength. However, the arrival of Battleforce Tempestus, the major Imperial fleet of the entire Segmentum Tempestus, brought much-needed reinforcements. Still, the battle was only won when Dominus Astra, the flagship of Battleforce Tempestus, sacrificed itself by charging deep into the bulk of the Tyranid fleet while its Warp engines were set to overload, creating a Warp vortex that dragged it and the Tyranid fleet to oblivion. This sacrifice allowed the Imperium to finally claim victory over the Tyranid threat, at least for a short time. The Tyrannic Wars had only just begun."
"Unknown to the Ultramarines, Hive Fleet Behemoth was in reality separated into two forces, leapfrogging each other as they gorged on the worlds they invaded. The Ultramarines' victory at Macragge had only destroyed half of the enemy's strength. However, the arrival of Battleforce Tempestus, the major Imperial fleet of the entire Segmentum Tempestus, brought much-needed reinforcements. Still, the battle was only won when Dominus Astra, the flagship of Battleforce Tempestus, sacrificed itself by charging deep into the bulk of the Tyranid fleet while its Warp engines were set to overload, creating a Warp vortex that dragged it and the Tyranid fleet to oblivion. This sacrifice allowed the Imperium to finally claim victory over the Tyranid threat, at least for a short time. The Tyrannic Wars had only just begun."
If you're going to quote me, quote me, and don't change the text of what I said to suit your comprehension. Nice try though.
I didn't say the Chapter took on the Tyrannic War itself. I said the system tanked it. I'm applauding the management of the Ultramarines to be able to take half the tendril in their system with well-prepared defenses, unbelievable logistics and resources only a chapter of their assets could muster, and then take the battle to space warfare with their star system left mostly intact.
Many forces helped, I would never say Ultras did it themselves.
Sorry for misunderstanding you. Many Ultra fans do seem to think the UM did it all themself, and I assumed this was just one more case of it. Peace and out.
The further marines get from Codex Astartes, they better they get. Sounds like whomever wrote it was a moron.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the fact is, the Ultramarines are the most successful, stable chapter in the Imperium. They are even above Imperial writ, not having to pay normal tithes and have their own entire star system to sustain themselves and draw recruits from, not to mention that system tanked the whole First Tyrannic war by itself.
DA/BA/SW? Go back to your corner, fellas.
Leviathan and Ka'Bandha. At once. The boys in blue have nothing on the Sons of Sanguinius.
Azreal13 wrote: Not that it matters because given the amount of interbreeding that went on with that lot I'm pretty sure the Queen is her own Uncle.
BA 6000; 1250
Really this thread just failed on about 3 levels, you should all feel bad and do better.-motyak
Although I wouldn't blame the boys in red for being pissed that the Ultras didn't get to Terra in time for the final battle of the Heresy. As of the end of Unremememberd Empire, both the UM and BA are together at Maccragge. How come the Angels were able to get to terra and the Smurfs weren't?
There is only the Emperor! He is our shield and protector.
Blood Angels and Ultramarines are closely tied all the way back to the early days of the game. One of my favorite little blurbs was about how there is a Terminator suit in the Blood Angels armory from the Ultramarines. It is kept in it's battered blue because every time they tried to paint it in BA iconography, the wearer is killed.
My Blood Angels 1st Co. Terminator army (Deathwing rules) is even getting one of their number painted as the suit as an easter egg.
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