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Huron*

17 csm*
Bp & ccw, MoN

28 cultists

10 cultists
Autoguns

10 bikers
2 melta guns, melta bombs, MoN

10 havocs*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw, MoN

Data slate

Cypher*

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw

1999pts

Huron infiltrates himself and if his warlord roll is a 1-2 he infiltrates with the csm blob. If the roll is 3-4 he infiltrates with the csm blob and also infiltrates the cultist blob. If his roll is 5-6 he infiltrates with the bikers (he will have to be attached to them or they cannot infiltrate by themselves as they are not infantry) and both blobs infiltrate. Cypher infiltrates the havocs, whilst all 3 chosen units already have infiltrate. If a 5-6 is not rolled the bikers can quickly catch up by bombing across the board as I will not be worried about t6 3+ models with a 5+ jink.
Lots and lots of melta. Hopefully in combat quickly enough so flyers will not be a concern. Plenty of T increasing marks of nurgle to try to weather the first turn storm. Autogun cultists are home scoring and should hopefully be ignored. These combined with two huge blobs should cover scoring. The havocs are basically an extra chosen unit with -1a and +1t.
Everyone in your face turn 1... unless you have a 3pt servo skull...


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Stars represent definite infiltrators.

I don't know how your meta is, but I find plasma guns to always be better than meltas. Melta guns just won't give you enough shots to put an early dent on the enemy.
I would switch everything to plasma except maybe one squad.
Looks like an interesting list though.

Also most major tournaments are ruling that an IC can infiltrate a unit so you could infiltrate a lot more.

Yeh its that ruling that is allowing me to infiltrate 5 to 7 squads :-)!
I thought plasma, whilst I would not be adverse to the extra 90pts to upgrade all the melta, the prevention of the charge would really put me off it. I haven't played CSM since 3rd and don't own the majority of this stuff as my old army is very heavily abaddon/termi (15)/LR/obliterator (6) themed with just a juggerlord, a couple of CSM squads, 5 man bezerkers, a rhino and a long range havoc squad in support. But I got the old force out to battle my gf and got a buzz for them again. This would be a list I would love to run because I love assault as I am a primarily BA player. It seems like it would be worth collecting if servo skulls don't become prominent.


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Do you tgink plasma is worth losing the charge for? I don't personally know as I have never run a unit with 4 plasma guns before...

The main problem is you probably won't get the chance to charge, except for your blob. Most armies can shoot you off the board. With this list it's all about doing as much damage as possible turn 1.
It definitely is worth it to switch to plasma in my book.
You should also probably take MoN off everything because it's really not worth it.

Chosen already have infiltrate?

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
Chosen already have infiltrate?

No, the Cypher dataslate gives it and ATSKNF to them for free.

Worst case scenario will be only 5 units infiltrating, but that will still be 59 meq bodies, 27 of them t5 and 2 with 3w. Best case will be a further 10 t6 meq with jink and 28 t3 wounds. If I get 1st turn and run instead of shoot, the units will only be an average of 8/9" away for a turn 2 charge. Forcing the opponent to either move backwards out of cover (hopefully) and ruin all heavy weapon shooting or take their luck at shooting everything they have... surely there isnt much at 2k that can decimate the force enough in 1 turn to prevent a decent charge? That would be the plan anyway lol. And of course going second would be a big disadvantage - but then I could infiltrate accodingly.
I have zero experiance playing csm in 6th so you would know far better than me but it seems like enough meq bodies to survive 1 maybe 2 shooting turns... I mean my BA assault spam needs to weather 2 turns with lower T and less bodies (although they do have fnp).
I love the idea of +1t for a mere 3pts. Even worth 6 on bikers. This is all theroy hammer in my head since I haven't played them in this edition so I do believe you. But playing against plague marines is a pain in the gonads so I wouldnt mind making others suffer the same ;-).

That's true, you do have a lot of bodies.
I would probably maybe give a squad or two flamers for assaulting.
This is a very interesting list and I haven't run horde marines so I don't know how it will work. The only problem is marines aren't really good at assault. Huron and Cypher are pretty much your assaulters.

I would probably do a mix of flamers, plasmas, and meltas (no mixing in squads though).
MoN unfortunately isn't worth it on regular marines. You could get a ton of points to put towards other things by taking them away.

Just to give you an idea of what the current shooting meta can do to MEQ in the open, I'll give you this anecdote.

A little while back I tried out rhino rush with Raven Guard tactics against my brother's footdar (which is by far from the nastisest list an Eldar player can bring). It was a 1500 pt game, I got first turn scouted all the rhinos forward, then moved 6" disembarked 6" and unloaded 40+ marines marines into double tap range and laid on the hurt as best as I could, including melta/combi-meltas.

Even after that he managed to move 26 marines off the board. And this, mind you, was not an optimized list and at the 1500 pt lvl. At 2000 pts I can easily see a competitive Eldar/Tau list, possibly even IG gun line killing enough marines to make you basically combat ineffective. Eldar will mostly likely still have the movement to make it very unlikely for a turn 2 charge, and smart players with other armies will present you with bubble wrap/speed bumps/chaff etc. to charge on turn 2.

I like the list, but if you expect to just run in their face without some kind of shooting alpha strike capability, I think you are going to be disappointed.

Cheers for the advice guys. Yeh I see the point you are both making. I played a BA mech army against the new eldar dex as soon as it had dropped. It devestated my tanks so quickly I lost pretty much half my army before I had even moved. Putting them all down one flank could work against optimized tau or eldar... maybe?
This list will be utter garbage against a serp spam too as it won't catch them.
Is the MoN worth it on the bikes then?


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On a side note, the point behind this list was to make a quick hitting assault list as my BA assault marines/ vehicles/ elites just can't hack xenos firepower and I have to take my shooting crons to get any meaningful result. If I end up going down the assault route, is there a more optimal infiltrating list I can take if I spend the MoN points elsewhere?

If i used black legion, does the chosen become troops? Or even taking abbadon instead of huron, does chosen become troops? Can abaddon infiltrate with the chosen thru cypher?

I'd prefer to shoot bolters instead of a 1-st turn run in most cases. Yep, you won't beat eldar or triptide spam but what's the point of comparing fun lists with that rediculous boring cheeze? Go for it and have fun!

Haha will do :-) it will cost me a few £ first though so may just proxy to see how it runs.


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 Filch wrote:
If i used black legion, does the chosen become troops? Or even taking abbadon instead of huron, does chosen become troops? Can abaddon infiltrate with the chosen thru cypher?

Interesting questions. I have no idea.

Unfortunately no they are not scoring.

Instead of Havocs, run 3 Obliterators. It's literally the exact same cost. (More if you want to throw marks on them.)

They can be infiltrated just the same and bring all the weapons you could ever want to the yard. You're only giving up the potential of a single melta shot for the opportunity to go plasma spammy, or Lascannon things far away, or blah blah blah. You get the point. Obliterators are awesome. I'd also drop a single biker so you could give them MoN to make them immune to S8/9 causing instant death.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Huron*

17 csm*
Bp & ccw, MoN Give these guys a fearless std and flamers or MGs

28 cultists

10 cultists
Autoguns

10 bikers
2 melta guns, melta bombs, MoN Dump these guys or make them 3 man squads, I prefer a minimum of 1 unit of spawn x 5 MoN

10 havocs*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw, MoN

Data slate

Cypher*

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccwmake all of these 8 man (magic #) and give them an extra special weapon of power weapon of some sort, MBs for the Sgt

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw

10 chosen*
4 melta guns, bolters, bp & ccw

1999pts

Huron infiltrates himself and if his warlord roll is a 1-2 he infiltrates with the csm blob. If the roll is 3-4 he infiltrates with the csm blob and also infiltrates the cultist blob. If his roll is 5-6 he infiltrates with the bikers (he will have to be attached to them or they cannot infiltrate by themselves as they are not infantry) and both blobs infiltrate. Cypher infiltrates the havocs, whilst all 3 chosen units already have infiltrate. If a 5-6 is not rolled the bikers can quickly catch up by bombing across the board as I will not be worried about t6 3+ models with a 5+ jink.
Lots and lots of melta. Hopefully in combat quickly enough so flyers will not be a concern. Plenty of T increasing marks of nurgle to try to weather the first turn storm. Autogun cultists are home scoring and should hopefully be ignored. These combined with two huge blobs should cover scoring. The havocs are basically an extra chosen unit with -1a and +1t.
Everyone in your face turn 1... unless you have a 3pt servo skull...


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Stars represent definite infiltrators.

More good suggestions if I go down the shooty route! Plus I actually own old school oblits, whereas I only own long range havocs. Dropping the chosen to 8 will save me points to spend elsewhere without reducing their effectiveness too much, good call! Thanks guys!