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Are ard boyz really worth it. Ive always just run slugga boyz in mobz of 30, nothing special. And I run my nobz with a mek and evy armour.

Are ard boyz really worth the points they cost you? Anyone have any feedback? Ive got some aobr boyz I could convert

Nope, they're a waste. Used only when you don't have more models irl and need to sink points somewhere.

If its just for fun go for It. I've had some good games with them where I ran the unit out In front of my other waves of ork boyz with T-Shirt saves to give em some cover.

I actually found them to be quite a threat. I've played against an ork player who runs 30 of those and then have the special dude giving them feel no pain and 5+ invuls. It forms a nice deathstar unit if you put the big boss character in there too.

Might be something interesting to do with Mad Dok Grotsnik... cyborking the unit.

Seems pretty besides the point though for boyz.

Keep em cheap, give em a claw/boss pole and let numbers be their saving grace.

Could probably do it to a unit in a trukk...but eh.

10 pts boyz with 4+ save. Tacticals cost 12-13 and people call them overpriced. If the armor was 3+ it'd be an interesting option but not 4+, really. The only option i see is on sluggaboyz in a truck if you don't have another truck with sluggaboyz. Still it's way too much point investment in simple boyz. We'll see what new codex brings.

Why would you spend points on 4+ armor after cyborking the whole unit?

Considering how most weapons are AP4 or better, 'ard boyz tend to be a waste of points. Especially when you compare 120 points for 30' ard boyz to 85 points for a pff mek or 107 points for 29+2 gretchin walking in front of your boyz and catching bullets. Or just another 20 boyz.

Thanks. some good points. Seems they arnt really worth the time.

I think they can work, I have never done it but when me and my buddies some codices for a game they always take them, and they become an actual threat because i dont really build my list to counter them, the 4+ 5++ FNP is really dirty granted the arent getting that 4 + save but when you are desperate and need to rapid fire bolters into them and only one drops they become pretty menacing.

My buddy had a pretty decent list and i was playing my typhus zombie plague marine list, With no flamers doh. he sat the 30 boy blob on the middle objective in thick forest and i couldnt budge them. the only reason i won was because he had the bright idea of splitting off his warboss to try and make an assault and failed charge range leaving my lascannon havocs to eat him up.

the thing that counters mass orks is lots of blasts and templates, and most of those are ap 5 6 or - the truly devasting ones (Hell drakes and riptides) would make mince meat out of them regardless 5++ or not.

I think they for sure can hold there worth in fun games like swapping codices or making fun lists but definitely not a competitive choice.

I'd pay two points tops for that 4+, but you just know GW will overprice it because they don't realize how rubbish 4+ really is

Ard boyz provide a haven for a character to hids for a bit if that is a part of your strategy to do. It's one way to go. Ard Boyz can be really welcome additions when delivered in a trukk if you have the terrain to sneak around in until they can make their move. As a counter attack unit, they are not bad at all. hover near the back in a truck and wait out an enemy that likes to drop in on you and use them to try and stop the bleeding.

When I ran Green Tide (in 5th), I used to run my front rank of 'ard boyz with the Mad Dok. It really caught a lot of players by surprise. They were just not used to seeing orks getting 4++ saves. Usually, they had to spend a full turn shooting this unit. This allowed the other 3-4 mobs of 30 boys to advance unmolested.

I am not going to say it was a game changer, but it definitely made a difference.

Now, with FNP in 6th being a 5+, I can't say it is going to be worth it. Either way, if you like em, run em. But, given the current state of affairs with the ork codex, I would simply wait until they get a new codex before making a decision.

So they seem to be a good distraction from the rest of the army. Arbd boyz take a bit to take them down but really need to kinda sneak around behind cover until they can get close enough to really be used properly

And yes no one expects a 4+ from an ork haha!

I certainly like it when Bolters are being fire at them.

If forcing the enemy to use some of that massed AP4 on them could be a strategy somehow they'd be great. Like maybe if you knew that you could save the side of a battlewagon from Str7 AP4 fire for a turn it might be nice. Sadly footslogging boyz next to a bwagon sounds like two phases of arrival.

To go a lil further on Jancoran's point

If you needed a mob of boys to stick around for a weirdboy/warphead to get mob rule and have high leadership, that would make sense to me, as a good reason to upgrade the boys to be ardboyz. Would make em a bit tougher if they got ported to a spot where they could potentially get caught in CC or in the open.

Although its generally accepted that weirdboyz/warpheads are 'for funzies' units.

I guess they do work as bodyguard for a warphead/zogwort, considering how dependent they are on their unit staying above 10 models. Psychic tests at LD7 are no fun at all.

'Ard boyz are for units of slugga boyz or nobz in transports.

Trukk boyz still work, you just have to be careful, the 4+ helps save after ramshackle and the armour with the extra +1A is generally worth having for a trukk mob.

At the very least it is a valid excuse for something different, sluggas lost out big time to shoota boyz, but for trukk mobs sluggas are still a little better and 'ard boy trukk boyz last that little bit longer.

It doesn't cost much to plate up twelve slugga boyz, inc their nob. It's wasteful when you plate up a big mob footslogger mob though, and all you do is become a heavy bolter/whirlwind magnet.

Trukk Boyz spring to mind. Considering you can only have 11 Boyz and a Nob the armour really helps keep them alive, otherwise you loose wayyyy too many to effectivly assualt.

Thinking about it though, id like to see how a large shoota mob with ard boy armour sat in area terrian on an objective does.

Also, over priced? Pffff you save 1pt on the 'eavy armour on the Ork Nob, whos winning now!

Here's hoping the forthcoming codex makes them more than a meh selection - they are a lot of fun to convert. But that may be the problem - I'd be very surprised to see GW putting out 'Ard Boyz models, so they're unlikely to put much effort into a decent codex entry. :(

I've found it pretty useful, and similarly annoying to face. 4+ armour is good on any infantry that can get it, simply because AP5 is the order of the day for all small arms that would otherwise mow orks down by the dozen. You go from a 0% change to survive a bolter/pulse/gauss wound to a 50% change, so double survivability for only 2/3 of the cost. As a mob of 30 T4 4+ models, they can be very very annoying to take out.

I've found that when I take foot sloggers, they usually die to relatively bigger guns with longer range. If they get close enough for bolters and stuff to start inflicting casualties, they've done their job and can start laying down the dakka and the choppy

A grotsnik screen with just FNP and a KFF save could honestly be a solid idea. Could also run him with grots. But doubling the boyz price with cybork or 'ard would just be ridiculously expensive for what it would do - just buy another 30 boyz to go behind these ones for those points

Mind that 'eavy Armor is not a huge buff for surviving enemie's shooting. Firstly, u're supposed to have a KFF mek somewhere near and this 4+ armor is not that much better than 5+ cover. Secondly, there are lots of ap4 long-ranged weapons and blasts that hurt us the most.
'eavy Armor is obviously used to buff mellee durability and better chances of surviving exploding transports. Now here's the main question. Are 6 pt models really worth spending extra 4 pt per model to get that 4+?
If 'eavy armor was optional for every model and not the whole squad - we'd see a couple of 'ard boyz in every ork squad. Especially on wagonboyz so that they could be a bit more durable in mellee and loose just 16% of transported squad instead of 40%

I usually just have a KFF on the trukk, giving the contents 5+ cover when it explodes. Because of that I find the KFF still worthwhile whilst a lot of players leave it off of their mech stuff