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Chapter Master 230 pts
Thunder hammer, shield eternal, Artificer Armour

4 x Honour Guard 135 pts
2 power axes, 2 power swords, Chapter Banner

5 x Sternguard 185 pts
3 x combi melta's, drop pod.

10 x scouts 176 pts
Snipers, Telion, heavy Bolter

5 x scout squad 84 pts
Snipers, Missile Launcher, Camo cloaks

3 x Attack bikes 165 pts
3 x Multi-meltas

5 x Assault Squad 95pts
2 Flamers, Drop pod.

Thunderfire Cannon 100pts

Land Raider 250pts

5x Devastator Squad 150pts
4 Lascannons

Second detatchment:

Chaplain 90pts

5 x Scout squad 55pts
Combat blades and bolt pistols.

Thunderfire cannon 100pts

1815/1750

Any ideas how I can slim it down? Also I know its lacking in anti air, but i dont have any dedicated anti air units like a stalker/hunter/ADL with Quadgun. I was hoping to rely on my ultra marines doctrine to re roll snapshots for a turn on somethign like devastators and Attack bikes.

Its going for a bit of a fun list and to just try something out. At my local gaming club everyone bashes on tactical marines so they say, scouts or bikers, so thought I would give scouts a go. The 2 thunderfire cannons can help bolster the terrain the devs and scouts are in. Chaplain, Chapter master and honour guard all in the LR, hoping it survives til combat and then there should be slight relief on the rest of my army.

I guess my ideal army to fight would be someone with a few tanks/vehicles and maybe elite infantry? The 2 thuderfire cannons, and assault drop pod are my Horde control. I think I am playing either Chaos or a marine player tonight.

Any thoughts?

Thoughts: Good luck.

Tacticals are pretty bad (the bolter is an awful gun and 3+ saves are becoming less and less valuable) but Scouts are worse. I would never base a list around them. Take some scouts. And then load up on goodies. That's the point. Not to load up on Scouts.

I wouldnt go so heavy on that LR unit either. And if you do, put them in a Redeemer or crusader. Not the Godhammer. Sure you "waste space" but you can move 12 and still fire the Ass Can on the approach and when you get in close it'll be a lot more deadly.

If you want some AA, put a 65 pt Libby (or 55 pt Inquisitor) with your Devs and take Prescience for the rerolls. Voila: more dead tanks and maybe some dead fliers. That said, your dev unit needs bullet catchers or it's going to die before it kills anything.

I don't know what else to say. Good luck buddy. Hope those scouts pay off.

I can't use a space marine libby as he doesnt have access to divination, I also don't have access to an Inquisitor model or inquisitor rules :/

I did think of drop podding the honour guard down with the chapter master as they do have a 2+ save which should keep them safe until they can charge.

Make your second detachment Blood Angels then. Put your devestators there and take two tfcs in your main detachment and take a librarian for Prescience and BA scouts which have a chance to gain FC with The Red Thirst. You'll have to invest quite a few more points though.

If you want scouts = 6 x 10 man squads w sniper rifles/camo cloaks, no sgt upgrades at all. IIR runs ~900ish pts.

Don't have rocket launcher just have snipers.