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So...

Having never owned a Bastion before, and seeing as how the FAQ for the previous codex has disappeared, where do Nids now stand on the use of Bastions (or fortifications of any kind for that matter)?

If I take one and put a Zoan or Venomthrope in it, does the synapse and/or shrouding effect extend from the walls of the Bastion? Can that model use one of the heavy bolters? Do the other heavy bolters fire in automated ballistic skill 2 mode? What's the dealio with them as it stands? They worth taking in a competitive list?

Cheers.

They can use it like any other army can.

Yes, Yes, Yes, and yes.

Look in BatReps for the newer Nid reports. You will see bastions a bit.

As far as the rules stand right now, use of the bastion and it's weapons is fine for nids. Synapse and what not would be measured from the walls of the building.

Personally I'm waiting for the FAQ to drop before a start a nid fortress of any sort.

Im hoping not, considering how they brought our biomorphs back in line with other weapons. But it would not surprise me.

Venomthrope in a bastion increases it's aura range and makes it a lot tougher to kill.

So the bastion gets at least a 5+ cover save if there's a venomthrope inside. If obscured already then that 5+ becomes a 3+.

If you bought the TL quad gun as well and put an MC on it, can it fire both the quadgun and one of it's own weapons in the shooting phase? If it fires intercept on the quadgun then can it shoot 2 weapons still in the shooting phase. It seems to read that way, but wanted to check.

 ruminator wrote:
So the bastion gets at least a 5+ cover save if there's a venomthrope inside. If obscured already then that 5+ becomes a 3+.

Nope. Spore Cloud gives Shrouded to models. Fortifications aren't models.

rigeld2 wrote:

 ruminator wrote:
So the bastion gets at least a 5+ cover save if there's a venomthrope inside. If obscured already then that 5+ becomes a 3+.

Nope. Spore Cloud gives Shrouded to models. Fortifications aren't models.

Is this backed up with rules? (I'm not saying it isn't just never seen it)

Stratos wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 ruminator wrote:
So the bastion gets at least a 5+ cover save if there's a venomthrope inside. If obscured already then that 5+ becomes a 3+.

Nope. Spore Cloud gives Shrouded to models. Fortifications aren't models.

Is this backed up with rules? (I'm not saying it isn't just never seen it)

Models, as defined by page 3, have a Unit Type. Bastions (and other fortifications) have a Terrain Type.

Not models.

Yes, the ruels that define that models have a unit type. Fortifications do not have a unit type, so are not models (despite being physical models, they are not models as far as the game is concerned)

Even if that is a debatable point with your group, the Venom states that it only grants its cover save to models from the Codex:Tyranids, which the bastion is not in.

Stratos wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 ruminator wrote:
So the bastion gets at least a 5+ cover save if there's a venomthrope inside. If obscured already then that 5+ becomes a 3+.

Nope. Spore Cloud gives Shrouded to models. Fortifications aren't models.

Is this backed up with rules? (I'm not saying it isn't just never seen it)

No, it's more of an attempt to make fortifications completely non functional with any rules. Because otherwise any building could fire blasts so that they hit themselves, yet never take the hit as their is no model under the marker. Or more simply, their completely immune to blast weapons. And while some quote pg 3, some ignore the definition of a model on pg 2.

and as we see on pg 15 of the updated building rules in strong hold assault. "buildings function like any other unit in a players army"

Units are made up of models,
buildings function as a unit
buildings function as a model, QED.

Stronghold does fix a lot of issues surrounding Buildings and Fortifications, it is why I consider the updated building rules to be mandatory.

The unit in the top battlement would still get a 2+ cover save though if there's a venomthrope inside. I just need to stick the bastion behind cover itself then the bastion gets a 5+ cover. What if there's a tervigon in front - that would presumably also count as it's more than 25% obscured?

Covered under 'shooting through an intervening Unit' Rules.

 ruminator wrote:
The unit in the top battlement would still get a 2+ cover save though if there's a venomthrope inside. I just need to stick the bastion behind cover itself then the bastion gets a 5+ cover. What if there's a tervigon in front - that would presumably also count as it's more than 25% obscured?

The bastion will not benefit from the Venomthropes Shrouded ability.

Fragile wrote:

 ruminator wrote:
The unit in the top battlement would still get a 2+ cover save though if there's a venomthrope inside. I just need to stick the bastion behind cover itself then the bastion gets a 5+ cover. What if there's a tervigon in front - that would presumably also count as it's more than 25% obscured?

The bastion will not benefit from the Venomthropes Shrouded ability.

That isn't what he's saying. He's saying that the Bastion receives a 5+ if it has a unit (such as a Tervigon) blocking 25% of it, which is true. He's also saying that a unit on top gets a 2++ cover if there's a Venom inside. The whole "Bastion gets Shrouded" has already (sadly) been disproven.