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i was in a building and my opponent wanted to assault me but there was no space at the top of the building for his base to fit. Would he still be able to assault?

You were in the building? Or where you on top of the building in the battlements?

There are rules for multi floor ruins that do indeed allow you to assault even if the base would not fit on the floor you want to go.

You cannot assault a unit embarked in a building from outside the building.

Stormbreed wrote:
There are rules for multi floor ruins that do indeed allow you to assault even if the base would not fit on the floor you want to go.

These rules only apply to ruins. In any case that is not the specific ruin situation mentioned in the rule failing to get into base contact means you can't charge.

 Peregrine wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
There are rules for multi floor ruins that do indeed allow you to assault even if the base would not fit on the floor you want to go.

These rules only apply to ruins. In any case that is not the specific ruin situation mentioned in the rule failing to get into base contact means you can't charge.

Yea we need more info on the situation TS, other building also don't require base to base as long as you're assaulting from within the building itself. So Embark inside the building then you can assault a unit in or on a different part of the building without needing base or rolling a charge distance.

You can assault units in a multi-part building from a connected building. This includes battlements.

IE, a unit embarked in a bastion can assault a unit on the fortifications.

Check the Multiple Part buildings rules on page 92 of the BRB.

basically I was on top of a building and the unit of wraits wanted to assault me. The wraits were not inside the building. Their bases could not physically fit on top of the building so could they assault?

As others have pointed out:
It all depends on the Terrain in question, and if one is running Stronghold rules which can change how some terrain functions, but that being said there are two major situations I can think of that prevent a unit from being assaulted.

The first is the use of impassable terrain, which makes a unit immune from assault by simply making it impossible for the enemy to move into base to base contact. The most common times this situation is encountered is facing against armies that are Jump/Jetpack heavy. I have encountered a few deliberately designed fortifications with no access points, with the intention of deploying standard infantry on top to make them immune to assault. Those where being utilized without taking a easily overlooked clause into account, so not actually legal, but if a unit has the ability to get around impassable terrain the idea is sound.

The second situation occurs due to a gap in the rules which occurs when it comes to assaulting higher non-ruin based positions. I say it too much, or maybe not enough, but there is too much evidence that Game Workshop writers did not take the third dimension into account when it came to rules. Assault is not immune to this, the rules assume both units are on flat or low grade terrain, which leads to a situation where we have to 'levitate' the assaulting unit to get them into position. Certain terrain pieces are well known for this problem, such as the SkyShield, and it is very likely the situation you are describing is directly related to this phenomenon.

Assaulting units on battlements is a very interesting quandary though, there is at least three different and all correct answers as a Frequently Asked Question made the whole thing more gray.


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Ah, posted while I was editing and proof reading and what not:
Stronghold or Not?

No, they could not without being on the battlements or in the building themselves.

Short answer -
No they can not, under all three situations.

Might as well explain a little more clearly why I find it an interesting situation from a Rules as Written point of view:
A Frequently Asked Question was released that did some very, very, unusual and negative things to the Battlement section of the Rule Book. Personally I do not like the answer as it didn't address the question very well and it's changes where not at all required to answer the question being put forth. It is obvious, in hindsight since the Stronghold release, just what they where intending for this answer to do but it sadly left gaps in the Rule Book while doing so. It is bad enough that I make Stronghold a mandatory rule-set, it and other problems, just to fix the problems this Frequently Asked Question answer created.

In any case, that answer did some simple thing to battlements:
It removed the building 'tag' from battlements and stated they exist for no other purpose then to provide a cover save for the unit on-top.

Previous to the Frequently Asked Question the answer would easily be explained by simply quoting a page and directing you back to the Rule book itself. I can not remember the number off the top of my head, but it would have been within the three pages involving the battlement rules themselves. If I recall rightly this section would inform us of two interesting things, the first being that the unit is embarking into the battlement using some strange pseudo-embarking rules and the second would be how this unit responds to the building being assaulted. Should it not be clearly stated that a unit in a battlement can not be assaulted, and it probably is not that easily explained, it would allow one to better reason as to why a unit on a battlement can not simply be assaulted. It is a lot more complicated then simply putting the two models into base to base contact and probably a lot harder to successfully assault a non-stronghold battlement....

It has been a long while since I looked at the non-Stronghold battlements, they really do make things a little easier and I highly recommend them.

Still a little unclear from the OP's response just exactly what kind of building he is on. So i'll throw in my 2 teef.

- If units are allowed to climb up on top of the roof of the piece of terrain via a Difficult Terrain test (the building is low to the ground, there are ladders on the side of the building, etc) then yes, you could assault units on the roof even if their bases can't physically fit on the roof of the building. You would use the same rules for engagement as you would for a Ruin and fighting across multiple levels of the building.

- If this is a "Building" such as a Bastion, for example, where the only access to the Roof is from inside the building, then no, you can't assault.

Murrdox wrote:
Still a little unclear from the OP's response just exactly what kind of building he is on. So i'll throw in my 2 teef.

- If units are allowed to climb up on top of the roof of the piece of terrain via a Difficult Terrain test (the building is low to the ground, there are ladders on the side of the building, etc) then yes, you could assault units on the roof even if their bases can't physically fit on the roof of the building. You would use the same rules for engagement as you would for a Ruin and fighting across multiple levels of the building.

- If this is a "Building" such as a Bastion, for example, where the only access to the Roof is from inside the building, then no, you can't assault.

Your first point isn't technically speaking true, only ruins and barricades have rules that circumvent base to base contact. HOWEVER I'm just speaking from a brb perspective, I do agree that you and your opponent may be better off mutually agreeing to play said terrain as ruins for the purposes of assault.

It's worth remembering that a pre game terrain discussion is crucial and as long as both players agree, you can play terrain really however you want.

Not discussing the terrain at all and trying to use the brb to your advantage mid game if an issue comes up is a recipe for disaster in most cases.




The terrain rules never deal well with topohraphy. If you and your opponent do decide to utilize part of the ruin rules to allow for combat out of base to base provided the assaulting unit rolls high enough, you may also want to consider modifying how coherency works as well or you may end up with other problems when it comes to close combat.