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Hi guys I have a question, I don't quite understand the way haywire grenades and assaulting vehicles with them work i'm new to the game and i'm struggling with this rule.I know that one wych can throw a grenade in the shooting phase rather than fire her pistol, fine I get that. What I don't understand is that if I were to charge say a land raider woild the wyches say a squad of ten be able to all attack the land raider with grenades because it doesn't sound quite right that ten haywire grenades can be thrown at the raider so that's potentially ten glancing hits (if so that is awesome) but I don't quite get the whole grenades thing, if anybody would care to explain them in simpler terms to me i'd be thrilled,thanks guys!

Yes, every model in the unit can each use a single grenade in close combat. One very toasted land raider. Possibly two, if they're close enough together to multi-charge...

When shooting...you can throw one.

When assaulting...each model can forgo all of its attacks in place of using a grenade as an assault weapon.

That is like...wow a five man squad of wyches vs a land raider could glance it to death with relative ease...wyches now officially have a place in my army!

The thing about that is...usually what's in a land raider will then retaliate...be sure to do it with throwaway units...it's generally a last resort for my hawks.

Wyches are meh at pretty much everything so I can put a 60 point throw away unit in a venom to crack a tank then the venom can finish off whatever is left alive and kicking.

5 wyches with haywire grenades in a venom is a common tactic. (Usually a dual-Splinter Cannon venom.) Commonly referred to as 'Haywyches,' their transport can be used to lay down a hail of gunfire on any unit the wyches' victims were transporting.

 Jimsolo wrote:
5 wyches with haywire grenades in a venom is a common tactic. (Usually a dual-Splinter Cannon venom.) Commonly referred to as 'Haywyches,' their transport can be used to lay down a hail of gunfire on any unit the wyches' victims were transporting.

How? The Haywitches will wire their hay in the assault phase, long after the opportunity for their transport to have shot the contents of the yet-to-be haywired transport.

And if you can completely wrap the LR (say with 2 10-man squads of wyches), the contents won't even be able to disembark.

Haywire grenades are great, you can take out superheavys with them. FWs with EMP, wyches, swooping hawks, ect can easily take our baneblades in CC,.

Uptopdownunder wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
5 wyches with haywire grenades in a venom is a common tactic. (Usually a dual-Splinter Cannon venom.) Commonly referred to as 'Haywyches,' their transport can be used to lay down a hail of gunfire on any unit the wyches' victims were transporting.

How? The Haywitches will wire their hay in the assault phase, long after the opportunity for their transport to have shot the contents of the yet-to-be haywired transport.

Well, presumably the transports don't conduct a nosedive into the dirt in depression that the wyches are no longer riding in them. And unless the destroyed transport was an assault vehicle, the transported unit won't be able to assault the wyches. (If it was, it's pretty likely the wyches will be dead anyway, paving the way for splinter cannon-y death later on.)

Presumably an AV10 vehivle will die swiftly when that close to an enemy.

Yeah wyches are just suicide units that's all they are in my list, don't know whether they are better vehicle killers than blasterborn, haven't properly tried them out yet.

There are pros/cons vs blasterborn. For example, Blasterborn have to be within 18" to get their shots off anyway... so either way your venom has to be at least as close as 18". Wyches disembark up to 6, move 6 then need a 6 to assault which should be highly likely given fleet.

Wyches aren't a guarantee kill against a LR, but they are pretty close.

For retaliation, if that LR is carrying anything then they have a choice: either kill the venom or the wyches. They'll likely take the wyches out leaving the venom to move back and shoot at them from 36" away. I'll happily trade the lives of 5 wyches to kill a LR any day of the week.

However when using blasterborn, you have a lower likelihood of killing the LR. Assuming you do, the contents get out and shoot the venom because it's so close. Venom explodes, likely taking the blasterborn with it.. Now you are trading a pretty expensive unit to kill another expensive unit. This trade isn't quite as good.

That said, wyches are ONLY good against vehicles and low T targets like guardsmen, whereas blasterborn are effective against high T targets. If your meta doesn't feature many vehicles then blasterborn may be a better choice (ie: nids, daemons,..). However if you find yourself against an IG parking lot then wyches will be far and away more effective. Choose wisely.

Clively - disembark is your movement.