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HQ:

Farseer; jet bike; singing spear; shard of anaris

Farseer; jet bike; singing spear;

6x warlocks; jet bikes; 2x singing spears

Troops:

5 Direavengers; wave serpent; TL scatter laser; shuriken cannon; holo field

5 Direavengers; wave serpent; TL scatter laser; shuriken cannon; holo field

5 Direavengers; wave serpent; TL scatter laser; shuriken cannon; holo field

5 Direavengers; wave serpent; TL scatter laser; shuriken cannon; holo field

Fast Attack:

Crimson hunter Exarch

Heavy Support:

Nightweaver; holo field; crystal targeting matrix

ALLIES:

HQ:

Baron

Troops:

5x kabbalite warriors; blaster; venom; grisly trophies; splinter cannon

2k

Plan is to boost the nightweaver to take out anything that will mess up the council, like pathfinders or to mess up gun line guard, or lines of transports. everything else is self explanatory if you know Eldar, one question is: do i have enough wave serpents? currently i run 6 in my regular list, and thats beast, im just worried the lack of heavy tank killing this army has, save for the council and Crimson Hunter. thoughts or suggestions welcomed. i also know this list is cheesy and mean but im looking to win at a tourney so... shoot me? =) thnx guys

How is this list going to win in tourney?

Your scoring units are extra squishy, you are relying on singing spears for tank hunting and the Nightspinner is not too great. Especially if you haver that and massed scatter lasers, you have a lot of medium strength poor AP weapons you don't need a tank dedicated to it.

1. Swap out the TL scatter lasers, scatter lasers are great at twin linking other guns, not too good on their own, replace them with TL bright lances and starcannon, this will deal with tanks and good armour saves.

2. Farseer has one attack so drop the expensive sword.

3. Give both Farseers singing spear to use the S9 BS5 shot. You might as well give it to them all.

4. Exchange some minimum Direr Avenger squads for Storm guardians, give them a warlock with witch blade and flamers or fusion blasters. I would go with flamers if you take enough other anti tank.

5. Take a full squad of Dire Avengers and tool up the Exarch, or replace with Harlequins Howling Banshees or striking Scorpions, take your pick. Do this twice, now you have some teeth in your mechanised list's infantry.

6. Don't take a stock Crimson Hunter, the exarch upgrade with worth it especially with Marksmans eye and starcannon. This is a great assassin tool.

I completely disagree with the above poster. The only thing I'd change is taking holo fields off the serpents (there damn hard to kill already) and make the squads inside guardians. You may have too many spears I'd go with 4 but hey that's nitpicking. Altogether a great list hope it performed well.

Looks fine to me. I don't think runes of witnessing are that critical if you have the trophies early game. I would personally sneak a blaster into the kabbie squad and maybe night shields on the venom to round it out.Exarch on the hunter is nice, but you will probably be able to cast guide on the thing...so good enough there. You may have 1 too many or 1 too few spears on the council, but to each their own.

I also disagree with the 1st response...scatter lasers are fantastic for AT. The whole Tl serpent shield and shuricannon seem to be foreign concepts to them. Also, harlequins, or....banshees in a tournament list? Not even once.

Thank you for the intelligent responses. first one i dunno what this guy is talking about

How is this list going to win in tourney?

Your scoring units are extra squishy, you are relying on singing spears for tank hunting and the Nightspinner is not too great. Especially if you haver that and massed scatter lasers, you have a lot of medium strength poor AP weapons you don't need a tank dedicated to it.

1. Swap out the TL scatter lasers, scatter lasers are great at twin linking other guns, not too good on their own, replace them with TL bright lances and starcannon, this will deal with tanks and good armour saves.

2. Farseer has one attack so drop the expensive sword.

3. Give both Farseers singing spear to use the S9 BS5 shot. You might as well give it to them all.

4. Exchange some minimum Direr Avenger squads for Storm guardians, give them a warlock with witch blade and flamers or fusion blasters. I would go with flamers if you take enough other anti tank.

5. Take a full squad of Dire Avengers and tool up the Exarch, or replace with Harlequins Howling Banshees or striking Scorpions, take your pick. Do this twice, now you have some teeth in your mechanised list's infantry.

6. Don't take a stock Crimson Hunter, the exarch upgrade with worth it especially with Marksmans eye and starcannon. This is a great assassin tool. .

First you dont understand how the seercouncil works, they all have armor bane so they can deal with tanks in CC very well

1: with the scatter lasers and shrukien cannons on the serpents i get 28 str 6 shots all twinlinked and a possible 28 str 7 shots also tiwnlinked, any things side armor is toast save for a leman russ or landraider and i got stuff to blast them from the rear and assault them, so im not terrified but there is consern against a full mech list, but if they stay close enough i can rake the back armor with str 8 from the night spinner and armorbaned jetseer council on turn 2

2. the sword makes them all fearless no way am i letting them fail a forced moral check

3. they both do have singing spears

4. that costs a lot of points to do that, where would i get these points?

5. again where do these points to tool this stuff up come from? all your suggesting is that i go to a higher point bracket and bring specialized expensive units

6. Fixed the hunter good call there

otherwise list is edited any more constructive critiques are welcome =)

The answer to your AT problem is a Fire Prism. A Fire Prism will give you a 60" gun that pops AV 14 better than a tau Railgun. The only upgrade you'll need are Holo-Fields. I know nothing about DE, so my opinion to dump them for it is a little null and void, but I'd find the 145 points for a Fire Prism.

And to answer your "Enough Spam?" question, yes. I only take two Wave Serpents and have never had a problem.

i need the DE to make the seer council have a rerollable 2++ from the barron, as well as move through cover and stealth giving them a 2+ rerollable cover as well and i get +1 to go first... super nice for the points, the warriors in the venom are there to buff the council letting me reroll failed LD checks, i.e. psychic tests so the locks always get there powers off. and i would like the prism but it has no ignores cover weapon, which when trying to kill stuff like pathfinders is needed, as well as sniperteams but thnx for the sugestion

 Orlanth wrote:
How is this list going to win in tourney?

I would assume the OP plans to do it the same way ALex fennel won LVO. LOL,, the Brit pushed this trend to the limits. However the list doesn't play itself and its certainly not easy mode..

would you happen to know where i would find the list alex fennel won LVO with?

My comment Is drop night spinner and take another venom with extra cannons and trophies and warriors because if you play someone smart he will kill venom first turn and you lose your re rolls.

Eldrad da bad wrote:
would you happen to know where i would find the list alex fennel won LVO with?

Nope...

Come up with your own list! seer council is a strong build as it is. You already have a slight twist on the average seer council list so I'd stick with it.

Only changes I'd make to be slightly more competitive would be drop the night spinner for 6 warp spiders and another warlock or just spiders.

Those serpents are some consistent dakka to rely on and I'll think you'll have plenty of AT between those, the spiders/night spinner, and the crimson hunter.

Necron AV13 spam is the only thing I can think of that would give you an uphill battle

Eldrad da bad wrote:
would you happen to know where i would find the list alex fennel won LVO with?

It's here:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/02/40k-unbeatable-list-lvo-winning-army.html

thnx guys

 Will1541 wrote:
The answer to your AT problem is a Fire Prism. A Fire Prism will give you a 60" gun that pops AV 14 better than a tau Railgun. The only upgrade you'll need are Holo-Fields. I know nothing about DE, so my opinion to dump them for it is a little null and void, but I'd find the 145 points for a Fire Prism.

And to answer your "Enough Spam?" question, yes. I only take two Wave Serpents and have never had a problem.

Fire prisms are actually pretty sub par anti tank.
3+ to hit, 3+ to wound... thats a 1/3 chance of ONE glance or pen. Not very good....

Looks like I am behind the times.

Got the Crimson Hunter right though.

It happens, though I still say drop night spinner for another venom with warriors, if you lose your only venom your re roll psychic tests is gone.

Put the serpents on a skyshield. You'll lose friends very quickly.

Nightspinners and Prisms are not worth the points. As previously stated get more kabbies and trophies.

Crimson Hunter seems out of place. Take a ravager instead.

Crimson Hunter isn't out of place. If there's one thing Seer Council doesn't do well against, it's flyers. I'd even add a 2nd Hunter instead of the Night Spinner.

As said above, drop the nightspinner for another venom, deldar are the most fragile things in the game, so taking more than one will certainly help you out when it comes to anything past t1

Shingen wrote:
Put the serpents on a skyshield. You'll lose friends very quickly..

Why? Unless your playing tau or other serpent spam theres no need. They already have 4+ cover

@ninjafire,

The reason to take a shy shield is so you have all your units bunched up so they can get surrounded, and you get a 4+ inv from things shooting at you.

 Arbiter wrote:
@ninjafire,

The reason to take a shy shield is so you have all your units bunched up so they can get surrounded, and you get a 4+ inv from things shooting at you.

Since when is getting surrounded a good thing?

You must have missed my jesting.

 Arbiter wrote:
@ninjafire,

The reason to take a shy shield is so you have all your units bunched up so they can get surrounded, and you get a 4+ inv from things shooting at you.

ahhhh of course

Now you guys are thinking!