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Hey everyone, so I've got a couple questions regarding the rules about eldar warlocks, hoping someone can clear it up.

So the codex says you can have a single detachment of 1-10 warlocks outside of force-org, and that single warlocks can be split off into other units.

So I've got two questions:

1.Since they start as a single group, could I roll for all their powers and then split them off into units accordingly?
I'd probably have a seer council and then a couple split off into different guardian squads, this way I could make sure the guardian squads got the powers I wanted, for example.

2.It says you can only have a single detachment, does this mean that I couldn't run two seer councils? a farseer and 3-5 warlocks in each for example.

Thanks

1) You determine Warlord traits and then Immediately Split Warlocks off. You then roll for psychic powers and then deploy your forces(Psychic powers are chosen before deployment).

2) Exactly as the rule states Each Primary detachment can only have 1 unit, I really do not see how that could be unclear.

As to the question of if warlock powers are rolled before or after they are split, that question resulted in a 20 page discussion that degenerated into a flame war a couple months back.

I don't have my book handy at the moment, but if I recall correctly the discussion was based on this premise:

Both the psychic powers rule and the split the warlocks say to do them after rolling for warlord traits, so their exact ordering is unclear.

A lot of people use the summary of game setup sequence at the back of the BRB to argue that you would split then roll because psychic powers come after warlord traits, but the BRB summary only takes into account the basic sequence, you would need to read the specific sections for when each is done. They have stated that when two events are to occur simultaneously without further clarification, it is up to the controlling player on the sequence they are done in.

You split the Warlocks immediately after Warlord Traits, so before deploying. Powers are rolled when deploying.

As above. The written timings are clear, but are sub optimal for players. This tends to give cause for arguments....

How do you get that you roll psychic powers when deploying? Generating Psychic powers says to do the roll "Before either player deploys". Warlord Traits says "before you deploy your army"

So if you want to get down to it. The player that deploys second could wait until after the first person deploys to roll on the warlord traits table, but must roll their psychic powers before either player deploys.

Just check page 424 for the Summary.

Summary is just that, a summary, you have to reference the entire rule in context. The summary cannot take into account things added later or from a specific Codex.

Which has no conflict with the summary. Your point?

So can Karandras make another unit infiltrate or not then?

master of asgard wrote:
So can Karandras make another unit infiltrate or not then?

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with OP's question, but no, he can't because of the timing for deploying/joining squads and Infiltrating.
IIRC he may allow them to outflank though

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

master of asgard wrote:
So can Karandras make another unit infiltrate or not then?

This doesn't seem to have anything to do with OP's question, but no, he can't because of the timing for deploying/joining squads and Infiltrating.
IIRC he may allow them to outflank though

no on the outflank either, when the unit goes into reserves it has to be prepared. At this point the unit has neither infiltrate nor scouts, so must be prepared in normal reserves.

Then during deploy infiltrators karandas deploys into reserves with the unit already prepared as normal reserves.

After looking at the rules found on BRB pages 418 and 121 and Eldar Codex page 95. All I can say is that they are very vague and should be determined with your opponent / tournament organizer prior to making your lists.

As for my opinion; I'm going with Warlord traits and Psychic powers being generated at the same time (thus the controlling player decides which order). This would allow you to generate the powers and then deploy the warlocks. This also follows RAW.

My reason for this:
The Eldar codex (p95) states ". . . immediately after determining Warlord traits, . . .". This places it neatly between Traits and Deployment without question.
The BRB on psychic powers (p418) states "Before either player deploys their army, . . ." which is the vague part. This can mean after, before, or during determining warlord trait. This is because determining the warlord's trait also happens prior to deployment. That is the RAW part.

RAI = After warlord traits as it said "before deployment", not "before warlord traits". The implication being "before" means "immediately before".
RAW = As above.

Work things out with your opponent beforehand. If all else fails; apply "The Most Important Rule" (BRB page 4). If we only followed RAI, we would be too busy arguing to play. If we only followed RAW, helmeted units and vehicles couldn't shoot. (Note the ". . . eyes . . ." in determining LOS in the BRB page 8. Helmets and (most) vehicles don't have eyes. Helmets have lenses. Could even go so far as to say models with only 1 eye never have LOS as "eyes" is plural.)