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With Inquisition, LotD, and Knight codices coming out (and all the data slates as well), has anyone been able to figure out a definitive answer to how mixing multiple allies works if one of the pairs is Come the Apocalypse (CtA)? For an example I'll use LotD. Imagine that you build an army with a primary detachment of IG and then add in Ork allies. IG and LotD are Battle Brothers (BB), while Orks and LotD are CtA.

Would LotD be allowed since they're BB with primary detachment (how they interact with Orks on the table isn't clear, but let's just ignore that,) or would they be disallowed since 'this kind of alliance cannot occur'?

The mini dexes (like Inquisition) say they can't be taken as a detachment if there is an allied detachment that is Come the Apoc to themselves.

Each detachment/formation will have its own relationship with each other detachment/formation in your army based on an allies chart. You cannot include a detachment or formation that would have a CTA relationship with any of the other detachments or formations in your army. Does not matter what kind of formation or detachments are involved, just the kind of relationship they will have.

I'm pretty sure that the apoc. rules say to ignore allies limitations, I'll have to check though.

Oh, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not talking about using allies in Apocalypse where, indeed, anything goes. I'm just wondering if there's an explicit reference to how the allies chart should work when dealing with 3 or more factions. Supplements and mini-dexes seem to be pretty clear on how things interact as long as nothing has a 'Come the Apocalypse' level of alliance. What I'm not 100% sure on is what happens if you have a primary detachment that is, say, Allies of Convenience with two factions, but with those two factions being CtA to each other. I think it'd be a no go, but I don't know of anywhere that's explicitly stated.

Oh, no idea then .

The "levels of alliance" always talks about armies, not detachments.

In this case it's using "armies" as forces from a codex.

It never talks about the relationship between detachments, or that it only counts as a relationship between a primary or allied force.

"Between each army" is the turn used, so in the case of 3 armies allied together you need to take into account the relationship between them all.

I have a feeling they are going to rework the allies rules this summer. The dataslates and recent "codexes" are tearing it apart.

What I find interesting is that, in RAW, is that codex: Inquisition and codex: legion of the damned are both allowed to be taken as a special allied detachment and if you do take both of them in addition to your primary detachment they won't have an ally relationship to one another. If sure the intent is for them to have a separate allied relationship for each other detachment in the army, but it only says they have one for the primary detachment and the "regular" allied detachment.

Have not looked at codex: imperial knights but I would assume it reads the same.

clively wrote:
I have a feeling they are going to rework the allies rules this summer. The dataslates and recent "codexes" are tearing it apart.

How is anything 'torn apart' ? Aside from the oversight I just mention seems to be the only problem, and its not even really a problem.