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Alright, this one is kinda increadibly farfetched. But, hey, whatever.
A small "Mini Theory" first to tie it all together. Maybe the Hive mind is the last surviving whole C'tan.
The Orks and the Eldar are increadibly easy to explain, the precursers that made them for war where who ever is behind the hive mind.
Necrons, well, they are explained with the C'Tan theory.
Tau could possibly been uplifted by the hive mind, hence the hyper tec.
Mankind is harder to explain, and I dont really have an answer.
Chaos is Chaos, unaffected by this theory.
Did I miss any one?

Uh, yeah, don't quit your day job...

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Uh, yeah, don't quit your day job...

Eh, had to do something during my DoW Soulstorm Tau base raid.
On a completly different note, feth the Dow Tau base raid.

I saw this before in a thread about the Emperor being a giant lizard.....

They were created by the Old Ones a separate entity to the Hive Mind. Although I don't think the Necrontyr or Tau were part of the species they created but they had created the Orks, Eldar and the primitive ape like creatures which became humans; which is where the Eldar monkeigh comes from.

It's speculated that the Eldar may have had some influence over the Tau, but not so sure on that one.

Just... what?

That's a hell of an imagination, HFC!

What if, right, what if... the whole 40k universe is existing in a Lizardman ancient artifact... (like our galaxy being in a marble in MiB) whaaaaaat?!

MIND = BLOWN

I'm just going over to the David Icke forums for some normal, not at all bat guano topic threads, see y'all later!

 Hive Fleet Cerberus wrote:
Alright, this one is kinda increadibly farfetched. But, hey, whatever.
A small "Mini Theory" first to tie it all together. Maybe the Hive mind is the last surviving whole C'tan.
The Orks and the Eldar are increadibly easy to explain, the precursers that made them for war where who ever is behind the hive mind.
Necrons, well, they are explained with the C'Tan theory.
Tau could possibly been uplifted by the hive mind, hence the hyper tec.
Mankind is harder to explain, and I dont really have an answer.
Chaos is Chaos, unaffected by this theory.
Did I miss any one?

Eldar/ Orks were made by the Old Ones to fight the Necrons
Tau came about through hyper evolution and good old marxism
Mankind is explained through good old Paleontology and Biology. (This is a figurative future that uses the history already in place as 'backround' The Emperor himself was born circa 5,000 BC or so)

 Brother Lem wrote:
I saw this before in a thread about the Emperor being a giant lizard.....

Oh wow, I didn't know that David Icke posted here!

I remember someone talking about how the Emperor was Eddie Izzard...

Are you aware that the C'Tan and Old Ones were entirely different species and fought a galatic war against each other.

The Old Ones BTW uplifted the eldar. Created the orks. And messed with the humans to give them access to the warp.

The C'Tan "uplifted" (enslaved) the necrons.

Chaos technically was "created" by the Old Ones as they created the warp. However it is more like the mold was created by me when I left my sandwich out.

The hivemind is it's own thing probably just as old as the Old Ones but has eaten its way through galaxies. I cannot imagine why people come up with these theories when the defining factor of the Old Ones "uplifting" a species is giving them access to the warp...the nids do not even interact with the warp at all. It is like trying to run windows programs on a MAC OS. Usually nothing happens but if you get insistent and try to mess with it you create one heck of a mess.

The Old Ones did not create the warp, but they did use it. The Warp, as it now exists in M41, arose out of the War in Heaven between the Old Ones and the Necron/C'Tan.

The C'Tan did not create the Necrons, the two groups basically stumbled over each other by accident.

The Old Ones created the Orks and the Eldar to fight the Necrons and the C'Tan. They may have had plans for Humanity, but the Old Ones were wiped out before this plan could reach fruition.

No one really knows where the hell the Tau come from, but they are a very young race, being some 6000 years old sidereal.

The Tyranids were not, at the time, known to be in the galaxy (though given a few creatures found on places like Catachan and Fenris, it's possible that some fore-runner organisms had seeded here).

Drugs are bad!
The old ones are of course the creatures described in H.P Lovecraft books!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Drugs are bad!
The old ones are of course the creatures described in H.P Lovecraft books!

What? Old Ones have nothing in common with Great Old Ones or the Other Gods. The thing that bears the greatest similarity to Lovecraft is Chaos (especially Chaos) and the C'tan. The only thing similar to the Old Ones I can think of in Lovecraft is the Great Race of Yith.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Drugs are bad!
The old ones are of course the creatures described in H.P Lovecraft books!

What? Old Ones have nothing in common with Great Old Ones or the Other Gods. The thing that bears the greatest similarity to Lovecraft is Chaos (especially Chaos) and the C'tan. The only thing similar to the Old Ones I can think of in Lovecraft is the Great Race of Yith.

The Elder Things on a smaller scale fit the 40k Old Ones quite well, immense technology to the point it appears to be magic, creating great races merely as tools in their War in Heaven (The Elder Things did similar when Cthulhu and his spawn "filtered' from the stars"). The Yithians are time travelling librarians who steal the bodies of other races when their current 'hosts' are reaching extinction. I think they'd make a great edition to 40k canon but there's nothing like them currently existing there.

Chaos has some connection to HP, Cthulhu for interest is not flesh and blood, he merely inhabits our plain from beyond (the story "From Beyond' has an alternate dimension connected to by bizarre apparatus that actually mirrors the Empyrean in some ways) and when he is weak can be defeated, or at least halted, by being struck by a boat. That sounds a lot like a Daemon to me, who though immensely powerful can, when the winds of the warp change, lose its grip on reality and vanish.

Good spot on the C'tan actually, never thought about it. The Deceiver is very Nyarlahotep-like.

 Jape wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Drugs are bad!
The old ones are of course the creatures described in H.P Lovecraft books!

What? Old Ones have nothing in common with Great Old Ones or the Other Gods. The thing that bears the greatest similarity to Lovecraft is Chaos (especially Chaos) and the C'tan. The only thing similar to the Old Ones I can think of in Lovecraft is the Great Race of Yith.

The Elder Things on a smaller scale fit the 40k Old Ones quite well, immense technology to the point it appears to be magic, creating great races merely as tools in their War in Heaven (The Elder Things did similar when Cthulhu and his spawn "filtered' from the stars"). The Yithians are time travelling librarians who steal the bodies of other races when their current 'hosts' are reaching extinction. I think they'd make a great edition to 40k canon but there's nothing like them currently existing there.

Chaos has some connection to HP, Cthulhu for interest is not flesh and blood, he merely inhabits our plain from beyond (the story "From Beyond' has an alternate dimension connected to by bizarre apparatus that actually mirrors the Empyrean in some ways) and when he is weak can be defeated, or at least halted, by being struck by a boat. That sounds a lot like a Daemon to me, who though immensely powerful can, when the winds of the warp change, lose its grip on reality and vanish.

Good spot on the C'tan actually, never thought about it. The Deceiver is very Nyarlahotep-like.

No, Chaos bears little in common with the Great Old Ones. They're most similar to the Other Gods, especially in the manner of operation.

Didn't the Old Ones make the Krork? (The smart version of Orks) Which then later turned into the Orks and rumored to have also turned into Kroot?

No, the Krork were a naturally occuring race like the Eldar and Humans. The Krork were wiped out by some cataclysm, then ressurected by the Old Ones in the form of the Orks.

I don't know anything about Yithians, but they sound kind of like 40k's Enslavers to me. Could be the Enslavers were based on them?

The Enslavers are sorta-kinda Yithian, but there's no brain-cylinders involved with the Enslavers.

From the fluff, the Ghoul Stars are supposedly inhabited by a bunch of Lovecraftian horrors, but there's not a whole lotta details on the contents, just mentions of star-spaw and eldritch terrors... all very Lovecraftian in reference, but nothing solid (other than the mention of the Barghesi) about what they actually are.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Enslavers are sorta-kinda Yithian, but there's no brain-cylinders involved with the Enslavers.

From the fluff, the Ghoul Stars are supposedly inhabited by a bunch of Lovecraftian horrors, but there's not a whole lotta details on the contents, just mentions of star-spaw and eldritch terrors... all very Lovecraftian in reference, but nothing solid (other than the mention of the Barghesi) about what they actually are.

That would be Mi-Go. Mi-Go uses brain cylinders.

The Yiths are weirder. They search time for an interesting mind, and swaps their mind with a Yithian one. The yithian in the host's body collects data, while the poor guy in the yithian's body is interrogated for information. If he is cooperative, though, he may be allowed to explore the Yithian's great libraries.

I wish there was a Ghoul Stars supplement...but GW are probably too parent child friendly for that.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Enslavers are sorta-kinda Yithian, but there's no brain-cylinders involved with the Enslavers.

From the fluff, the Ghoul Stars are supposedly inhabited by a bunch of Lovecraftian horrors, but there's not a whole lotta details on the contents, just mentions of star-spaw and eldritch terrors... all very Lovecraftian in reference, but nothing solid (other than the mention of the Barghesi) about what they actually are.

Well, we do there's the living shadows that kill you in the Ghouls Stars. IIRC, it's only the Black Templars and another Chapter that had the balls/were crazy enough to attack the Ghoul Stars. Safe to say it didn't end well.

 Zande4 wrote:
Didn't the Old Ones make the Krork? (The smart version of Orks) Which then later turned into the Orks and rumored to have also turned into Kroot?

For a second there I read "Kronk".

 Troike wrote:

 Brother Lem wrote:
I saw this before in a thread about the Emperor being a giant lizard.....

Oh wow, I didn't know that David Icke posted here!

I was completely being facetious .... everyone knows the Emperor is a chicken with goats feet....

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The Enslavers are sorta-kinda Yithian, but there's no brain-cylinders involved with the Enslavers.

From the fluff, the Ghoul Stars are supposedly inhabited by a bunch of Lovecraftian horrors, but there's not a whole lotta details on the contents, just mentions of star-spaw and eldritch terrors... all very Lovecraftian in reference, but nothing solid (other than the mention of the Barghesi) about what they actually are.

Well, we do there's the living shadows that kill you in the Ghouls Stars. IIRC, it's only the Black Templars and another Chapter that had the balls/were crazy enough to attack the Ghoul Stars. Safe to say it didn't end well.

Spoiler:

What you've got there isn't a alien race from the Ghoul stars, it's an Umbra those marines are fighting. Umbra are rumored to be the shattered fragments of one of the Old Ones, specifically the Old One Qah, who is also worshipped by the Hrud. More here.

all of this talk of monsters Is interesting. 40k needs more "beast" monsters.

I want a Catachan Devil model... I figure it would look something like a biological Tomb Stalker.

Maybe a little more cockroach and a little less earwig. Ehe.

Oh, or maybe some of those giant spider things from Murder.

They can have preferred enemy: Blood Angels