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I am thinking about running a list with a unit of 10 Deathmarks with a Despair Tech attached. I have heard this is a really good combo but I don't know how to use it. I currently plan to bring them in via Night Scythe. Also are Deathmarks Scoring units?

This is the list I am planning on:

2x Doom Scythe
10 Deathmarks w/Despair Tech on Night Scythe
10 Immortals
5 Warriors
1 Overlord (no wargear)

Point total 995 out of 1000

Deathmarks are denial not scoring. Definitely night scythe. Deepstrike is too risky for an effective flame template. If you run them in units of 5 rather than 10, you get two units you can tag rather than one.

hmm...I could change one of the doom scythes for another night scythe...let me see what that would do to my points...and I think I might split the Immortals to give myself another scoring unit then.



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but how does the Despair Tech help (I am still new to the game so I don't know how everything works together yet)


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Ok, list is now as follows:

1 Doom Scythe
5 Deathmarks with Despair Tech on Night Scythe
5 Deathmarks with Despair Tech on Night Scythe
5 Immortals with Overlord with Warscythe and Rez Orb
5 Immortals
5 Warriors

This gives me 3 scoring units, a Heavy, and 2 Denial units with added air support.



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Oh and one of the Techs has Nightmare Shroud

That res orb will never make its points back. Drop it for mind shackle scarabs and a weave.
Due to the death marks rules the despairteks flamer wounds the selected units on a 2+ with no armour save.
Shroud is a solid investment if you have the points.
I would keep the immortals together for longer lasting rp rolls.
I would drop the doom scythe and take a night scythe for your warrior unit and grab 5 scarab swarms as they are lethal. There are just too many weapons in the game that can take down an av10 flyer to include a 175pt one in a 1k game. And a night scythe can keep that vulnerable 5 man scoring unit safe.

ok thanks


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ok I thought the Despair tech was the one that wounded via the enemy unit's leadership instead of toughness (no clue how that works)

No probs. The despairtek does wound as you say. However if in a deathmark squad he wounds on a 2+ due to their special rule :-)!

sweet. Ok here is what I am thinking of going with now

5 x Deathmarks with Despair Tech on Night Scythe
5 x Deathmarks with Despair Tech and Nighmare Shroud on Night Scythe
10 x Immortals with Overlord with Warscythe and Mindshackle Scarabs on Night Scythe
5 x Warriors
5 x Warriors

I decided on the extra unit of warrior for the additional scoring unit. I put the immortals in a Scythe so I could drop them on an objective deep on the board and they would be able to defend it.

Yeh - nice list for 1k. I would take gauss on your immortals... otherwise anti av14 is lacking.

thanks...I always take gauss on the immortals but thanks for reminding me of that.

To expand on that a little bit. Deathmarks get hunters from hyperspace. (HfH)

When they show on the board they can mark 1 unit. (Just one) and all wounds for their unit is on a 2+. Normally the despair tech uses LDR as toughness but being in the unit allows its template to wound on a 2+

NS is vital so you can drop them right next to the target for max damage. DMs are rapid fire so you are getting a fair amount of shooting out of them as well.

Perfect thanks

Yep, that updated list you posted is a typical Death-Scythe™ army build.
Only difference would be you'd normally want a Warrior squad in the 3rd Nightscythe. (reason being, they're your ace-in-the-hole scoring unit. They're going to stay in the Nightscythe all game, thus being protected, then jump out on turn 5 to claim an objective. This tactic is why Scythe-spam lists win games).

Also, if you need anti-vehicle support, consider a Can-Opener Court™ (1x Despair-tek w/ Veil & Shroud + 2x Storm-teks). This unit starts on the table. Turn one, you use the Veil to take them across the table and next to your opponent's most important vehicle. The Storm-teks unload with 8 Haywire shots, bricking whatever they aim at. The Despair-tek then uses the Nightmare Shroud to try to make something break and run off the table edge. BAM, your opponent is down two units and you've now got Line Breaker and hopefully First Blood. Not bad for 120 points, huh?

yeah but where would I fit it in the point build...let me see



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(also I only have 1 more free Cryptek model)



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x that. I have no more cryptek models...and my next model purchases will not be till I get paid at the end of the month. I need the army completely built, painted and based by the 28th of March and I don't get paid until the first of march, and the store doesn't stock those models, have to order direct from GW.

I did however move the Scythe from the immortals to the warriors

... are you actually using the GW Cryptek model?
(hope not, that thing is boring expensive garbage. The majority of players use the Lychguard box to make custom Crypteks. Looks better, and works out cheaper if you need lots).
Regardless, yeah, if you can't proxy you're outta luck.

yeah I can't proxy for this and yes I did buy the GW cryptek model. I am going to be doing things with them...for one thing my paint scheme for my Necrons is around 10 colours, for another I plan to try to use green stuff to make a actual nightmare shroud for one of them.

I would eventually aim for 2 overlords and 2 units of 5 deathmarks + 2 despair teks in scythes. I'm not sold on veils when scythes are scatter free.

well I have additional Overlord models that are not yet built, but how would I fit an additional Overlord into the army and why? (have to keep this at 1000 points and I have to have everything completed including basing by the 28th of the month)

When he said "eventually", he probably meant in higher point games. For the 1000 level this one is sufficient, but once you reach the 1500+ tier, you're gonna want that second Overlord to unlock a second Court.

Personally ive never used 2 Overlords in anything below 1850, but thats just because the way I like to deck them out they are too expensive to justify using 2 at any point value less than that. I always have so much other stuff I want to use.

One should be plenty for now.

Also, I really like the idea of green stuffing a nightmare shroud, when you get around to doing it and painting it post a screen so we can see.

I always thought this model would make for an awesome despair-tek.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720006a&prodId=prod1250030a

Death & Despair units are great, but I find the key with them is to not pop your cherry too early. Wait until the right moment and strike with both units and then, hopefully your able to disable or destroy the enemies linchpin unit. Obviously this is match-up dependent, but generally I find that waiting until turn 2 or 3 is best.

 Gangrel767 wrote:
I always thought this model would make for an awesome despair-tek.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720006a&prodId=prod1250030a

Yeah, there's a guy where I play who has his Despair-tek done up with this model, combined with Necron bits.
Personally, if find the conversion versions so much better than the official sculpt (hell, even the codex's writer thought so and made his own: http://goo.gl/dBKxHz )

Uh, the Deathmarks have to mark a target upon Deployment, not just 'when they turn up'.

Deep Strike is a form of deployment.

Coming on from Reserve isn't. If they're in a Night Scythe, unless they have the Veil (for a deep strike from the tabletop), they don't get to mark a target.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, the Deathmarks have to mark a target upon Deployment, not just 'when they turn up'.

Deep Strike is a form of deployment.

Coming on from Reserve isn't. If they're in a Night Scythe, unless they have the Veil (for a deep strike from the tabletop), they don't get to mark a target.

Models that are deployed for deep strike have to be held in reserve. Deploying models from reserve (either from walking on, deep striking, or disembarking from a transport) would allow the deathmarks to trigger the HFH ability to mark a unit. I have never heard of anyone playing it differently nor have seen any rules or FAQ that state that normal reserves are not a deployment option as you suggest.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, the Deathmarks have to mark a target upon Deployment, not just 'when they turn up'.

Deep Strike is a form of deployment.

Coming on from Reserve isn't. If they're in a Night Scythe, unless they have the Veil (for a deep strike from the tabletop), they don't get to mark a target.

You are wrong.
This is not some new trick someone just figured out. The Death & Despair combo has been in use since the codex first came out.
If tournaments have been allowing it for the past however many years, I think it's safe to say that's the way it's meant to work.

Units in a Night Scythes are help in Table Edge Reserves. What is more since they are not technically in the Scythe at any point they are still in reserves you may deep strike them onto the board.

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Units in a Night Scythes are help in Table Edge Reserves. What is more since they are not technically in the Scythe at any point they are still in reserves you may deep strike them onto the board.

This is somewhat true. They enter normal reserves only if their transport is destroyed. And if they do, they cannot deep strike, but must walk on. Pg 51 in the codex spells it out pretty clearly.

 schadenfreude wrote:
I would eventually aim for 2 overlords and 2 units of 5 deathmarks + 2 despair teks in scythes. I'm not sold on veils when scythes are scatter free.

Well, if you aren't using the veils then you don't have to worry about the second royal court and overlord. You can take two despairteks within one court-just not two veils or shrouds.

 skoffs wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, the Deathmarks have to mark a target upon Deployment, not just 'when they turn up'.

Deep Strike is a form of deployment.

Coming on from Reserve isn't. If they're in a Night Scythe, unless they have the Veil (for a deep strike from the tabletop), they don't get to mark a target.

You are wrong.
This is not some new trick someone just figured out. The Death & Despair combo has been in use since the codex first came out.
If tournaments have been allowing it for the past however many years, I think it's safe to say that's the way it's meant to work.

I've been using it. Not in tournaments, but by the RAW in the book. I have been playing Necrons since 1998, you know.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, the Deathmarks have to mark a target upon Deployment, not just 'when they turn up'.

Deep Strike is a form of deployment.

Coming on from Reserve isn't. If they're in a Night Scythe, unless they have the Veil (for a deep strike from the tabletop), they don't get to mark a target.

You are wrong.
This is not some new trick someone just figured out. The Death & Despair combo has been in use since the codex first came out.
If tournaments have been allowing it for the past however many years, I think it's safe to say that's the way it's meant to work.

I've been using it. Not in tournaments, but by the RAW in the book. I have been playing Necrons since 1998, you know.

RAW in the book? Jeez, I hope not! (you have any idea how much crap they had to FAQ since that thing's been out? They're still not done fixing everything Ward messed up!)
... and what does playing Necrons since '98 have to do with a unit that didn't exist back then? (not to mention using a completely different rule set/manner of play).
Regardless, I doubt anyone is going to stop using Nightscythes to drop off their D&D squads (merrily HfH marking enemy units when they turn up all the while).

I just read through all the FAQ's regarding Deathmarks and Nightscythes, there is nothing preventing you from deploying from a Night Scythe and placing the HH Mark on an unit.