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Okay, so I can take a primary detachment and that's pretty clear,

What is the difference btween the allied detachment and the imp Knight detachment?

If I have a space marine army and want to take imp knights as allies, can I take one imp knight, or do I have to take toe from the allied detachment. 750 pts is a lot for an ally when I normally play 1850

ok, a knight detachment is seperate from an allied detachment. so an army can take right now the following forces.

Primary Detachment:
1-2 HQs.
2-6 Troops.
0-3 Elites
0-3 fast attack
0-3 Heavy Support


Allied Detachment:
1 HQ
1 troop
0-1 Elite
0-1 Fast Attacl
0-1 Heavy Support.

1 Inqusitoner detachment:

1-2 HQs.
0-3 Elites

1 Knight Detachment:
1-3 Knights.


Obviously everything beyond the Primary detachment's requirements is optional

where do you get those numbers though?

The knight detachment only has one box colored

I don't see the inquisitional detachment in the codex either.

I don't see the 1-3 numbers either. It looks like you can take 3 or 1 but it doesn't say which detachment you can take or what the rules are for taking them.

Have you tried counting the number of boxes?

For example the knight allied detachment has one coloured - denoting required - and 2 "greyed out" - denoting optional. THat gives you 1 - 3

The inquisitor detachment isnt in the Knight codex, no. But it is a consequence of the Inquisition codex rules stating as such.

The codex is actually supremely clear on this. Loook at the number of boxes, and use the chart key to tell you what the colours mean.

BrianDavion wrote:
ok, a knight detachment is seperate from an allied detachment. so an army can take right now the following forces.

Primary Detachment:
1-2 HQs.
2-6 Troops.
0-3 Elites
0-3 fast attack
0-3 Heavy Support


Allied Detachment:
1 HQ
1 troop
0-1 Elite
0-1 Fast Attacl
0-1 Heavy Support.

1 Inqusitoner detachment:

1-2 HQs.
0-3 Elites

1 Knight Detachment:
1-3 Knights.


Obviously everything beyond the Primary detachment's requirements is optional

Adding the Inquisitor detachment but not Lord of War, Fortifications or dataslates is a little odd and possibly confusing. But otherwise thus is entirely correct.

Knights as a primary gain all sorts of benefits though.

1-2 troops in allied detachment..

As for your other question about what benefits the knights have being the main detatchment:

If your knight detatchment is your main detatchment, One of your knights is automatically your warlord, gaining a warlord trait and it also recieves the Seneschal upgrade giving it +1 ws, bs, and +1 to its shield.

Your other knights must roll a dice to see what rank they are, getting -1 ws, bs, and shield if they roll a 1, and +1 if they roll a 6.



Allied knights do not roll on this rank chart.

buckero0 wrote:
I don't see the inquisitional detachment in the codex either.

The Chart is not the be-all end-all.

Read the rules.

This will also answer your question about 1-3 knights.

In fact it will answer all your questions

Eihnlazer wrote:
As for your other question about what benefits the knights have being the main detatchment:

If your knight detatchment is your main detatchment, One of your knights is automatically your warlord, gaining a warlord trait and it also recieves the Seneschal upgrade giving it +1 ws, bs, and +1 to its shield.

Your other knights must roll a dice to see what rank they are, getting -1 ws, bs, and shield if they roll a 1, and +1 if they roll a 6.



Allied knights do not roll on this rank chart.

Well, allied knights can roll on the chart, but only if you want to. The rule just says if you want to include apparents and seneschals in your game .

Asa bove. There is absolutely no requirement to ever roll on the chart. It is purely optional.

Purely optional, unless you are taking them as a primary, as primary detachments require the warlord, who is a seneschal.

That does not require you to roll on the chart, though. The Warlord automatically has that rank, but you are not required to roll for your other 2 - 5 Knights

But the rule says that if you choose to have a Seneschal in your army then you have to roll on all the others, not if you choose to use the table or not. By choosing to have them as a Primary detachment then you accept that you have to have a Warlord, who has to be a Seneschal, therefore you have to roll for the others.

You have not chosen to havea senescahl. You have chosen a Primary detachment, of which one is FORCED to be a seneschal.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You have not chosen to havea senescahl. You have chosen a Primary detachment, of which one is FORCED to be a seneschal.

This is exactly the reasoning I would use. Its the same line of thought that if you CHOOSE to deploy a tactical squad in a drop pod they don't count against the units you can start in reserve because now they are FORCED to be deployed in reserve.

Or the idea mooted by some, preFAQ, that Deathwing ASsault terminators did not count, as you were then forced to put them in reserve.

Your example is incorrect, as they dont count anyway -they are aboard a dedicated transport that must start in reserves, so even pre FAQ did not count towards the 50%

 Imperator_Class wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
As for your other question about what benefits the knights have being the main detatchment:

If your knight detatchment is your main detatchment, One of your knights is automatically your warlord, gaining a warlord trait and it also recieves the Seneschal upgrade giving it +1 ws, bs, and +1 to its shield.

Your other knights must roll a dice to see what rank they are, getting -1 ws, bs, and shield if they roll a 1, and +1 if they roll a 6.



Allied knights do not roll on this rank chart.

Well, allied knights can roll on the chart, but only if you want to. The rule just says if you want to include apparents and seneschals in your game .

Nope, that rule is under Knight armies as primaries, never under the rules for the allied detachment.

Huh, yeah the table IS just restricted to if they are your primary. My mistake

Also, they only count as scoring if they are your primary.