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An exocrine was firing at a squad of seraphim in open terrain. A unit of termagants was directly in front of the exocrine between it and the seraphim. So, even tho 90% of the exocrine was taller than the termagants, and had unobscured LoS to the target seraphim, shouldn't they have still received 5+ from intervening models?

Does the firing unit draw line of sight from the weapon?
Does it draw line of sight from the edge of the base?
Does it draw line of sight from the eyes? (i know some models have no eyes)
Does the intervening unit only create a cover save it the target is 25% obscured?
Does the intervening unit have an unlimited height, just like shooting through forests?

To me, the seraphim receive a 5+ because the exocrine is shooting thru/over an intervening model.

The Exocrine is an MC so its from the "Eyes" of the model. If the squad was completely un-obscured then no cover save should be given. If a few of the models are obscured then you could focus fire to isolate the no cover models.


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Does the firing unit draw line of sight from the weapon? No, only for vehicles
Does it draw line of sight from the edge of the base? The eyes as I said previously
Does it draw line of sight from the eyes? (i know some models have no eyes) Yes
Does the intervening unit only create a cover save it the target is 25% obscured? Yes
Does the intervening unit have an unlimited height, just like shooting through forests? No

 thejughead wrote:
Does the intervening unit only create a cover save it the target is 25% obscured? Yes

This is not 100% accurate.

The intervening unit will create a cover save if the model that is firing is firing "through the gaps between models in an intervening unit" (18) as noted in the rule:

"if a model fires through the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer." (18)

The gaps are what have me perplexed, what is the height of the gaps? And if shooting through the unit's gaps, which means the gaps aren't actually obscuring anything, grants a save, why wouldn't shooting over the unit do the same?

 deviantduck wrote:
The gaps are what have me perplexed, what is the height of the gaps? And if shooting through the unit's gaps, which means the gaps aren't actually obscuring anything, grants a save, why wouldn't shooting over the unit do the same?

Because the rules say "Note that this does not apply if the shots go over the unit rather than through it." (18)

Basically you have to line up the tops of the models and draw an imaginary line at the top of them. If the shot goes over this line you get no cover. If the shot goes through this line or below, you get a cover save.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 thejughead wrote:
Does the intervening unit only create a cover save it the target is 25% obscured? Yes

This is not 100% accurate.

The intervening unit will create a cover save if the model that is firing is firing "through the gaps between models in an intervening unit" (18) as noted in the rule:

"if a model fires through the gaps between models in an intervening unit, the target is in cover, even if it is completely visible to the firer." (18)

Thanks for the correction.

This rule can be a bit confusing.

Obviously, when looking through the eyes of the exocrine in this case it can completely see the target unit and therefore is shooting over the heads of the intervening unit.

However, turn it around so that the Exocrine is the target and the seraphim are the shooters. Would the exocrine get the save due to intervening models?

The seraphim can certainly see parts of the exocrine above the termagants. However, parts of the exocrine could only be seen by looking through the termagants. My guess is that the exocrine does get the save.

Same concept, different models:
Warhound titan is behind a unit of marines shooting at some tau pathfinders. Pathfinders don't get the save. However, if the pathfinders were trying to shoot at the titan, it's foot would be behind the marines and therefore the titan gets the save.

Step 1: Draw line of sight to Exocrine
Step 2: Opponent says your shots are going through Termagant brood
Step 3: Argue about how your unit is totally aiming high so that the shots don't go through the unit
Step 4: Get in a fist fight
Step 5: Get kicked out of the store