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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/12 19:33:43
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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I encountered this situation last night and am not certain which way to play it (we rolled for it).
The Necron Catacomb Command Barge is a Chariot - thus can charge into combat yet is not tied down to combat.
If a Necron player charges a unit with his CCB - can the receiving unit fire overwatch when the necron player charges with them with a second unit?
Put another way
- Necron Overlord on CCB charges a unit of Ork Shoota Boyz
- Boyz opt to not overwatch
- CCB makes charge distance
- Necron Wraiths charge the same unit of boyz
- Can the boyz fire overwatch against the Wraiths?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/12 19:55:47
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/12 20:20:29
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yes, as the boyz are not ever locked in combat with the chariot, regardless of when units get locked (it is disagreed on whether they are locked the moment a model is in base contact (which causes further issues with the rules), or once the following Fight sub-phase begins).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/12 20:22:09
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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While the chariot is not tied down in combat in the following turn, I do believe the unit being charged by the chariot is until the chariot breaks off, so I do not think the assaulted unit can overwatch a second charging unit since its already engaged with the chariot.
Unless there is some caveat about chariots being engaged in combat, not sure, don't have the rule book with me at the moment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/12 20:23:55
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Units cannot be locked in combat with non-walker vehicles. Therefore, if a unit is in base contact with a chariot, they are allowed to attack it, but are not locked in combat with it. Since the only restriction (that matters in this discussion) is that you cannot fire Overwatch if locked in combat, and you are not locked in combat, Overwatch is OK.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/12 20:25:59
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Happyjew wrote:Units cannot be locked in combat with non-walker vehicles. Therefore, if a unit is in base contact with a chariot, they are allowed to attack it, but are not locked in combat with it. Since the only restriction (that matters in this discussion) is that you cannot fire Overwatch if locked in combat, and you are not locked in combat, Overwatch is OK.
Reviewing the BRB and FAQ (page 82), this is how I interpret such as well - just confirming I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/13 00:38:52
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
South Chicago burbs
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Don't the chariot rules say the unit charged is considered to be in base contact with the embarked model as well as the chariot?
How is the charged unit not locked since they are not only in contact with a vehicle, but also a infantry model?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/13 01:39:05
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Fixture of Dakka
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I am going off memory as well, but if I remember right the rider counts as 'in base contact' only for a small list of purposes and I do not think locked in combat is one of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/13 02:33:14
Subject: Catacomb Command Barge Preventing Overwatch
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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JinxDragon wrote:I am going off memory as well, but if I remember right the rider counts as 'in base contact' only for a small list of purposes and I do not think locked in combat is one of them.
That's right. He's in base contact only for the purpose of attacking and being attacked by models that are in base contact with the chariot.
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