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Can he strip it's invulnerable save?

I do not have their book, but if the invun is classed under their wargear, then i would say yes he can strip it with a shieldbreaker round.

valace2 wrote:
Can he strip it's invulnerable save?

Can you allocate a wound to the Knight?

In the ebook I have, the Ion Shield is listed as Wargear, and the Vindicare's rule is that it looses its invul save granted by wargear, so I would say yes. no your not causing a "wound" but i'd give it to ya!

You don't need to allocate a wound to strip the invul save, you just need to hit the target model.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
You don't need to allocate a wound to strip the invul save, you just need to hit the target model.

Not checking the FAQ at the moment, a "wound" does need to be allocated to it to activate the rule.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
You don't need to allocate a wound to strip the invul save, you just need to hit the target model.

They might have to FAQ it, if entropic strike doesn't strip it's armour I don't know if the Vindicare can strip it's save.

Seeing as how the Vindicare has set a precedent by being the only thing to negate Look Out Sir maybe he can strip that invulnerable save.

Using a shieldbreaker simply requires a Hit to negate any inv save provided by wargear. Fairly certain the Ion Shield is a piece of wargear.

You dont get to lower AV because the rules for I. B. state you cannot. This is nothing to do with AV.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Using a shieldbreaker simply requires a Hit to negate any inv save provided by wargear. Fairly certain the Ion Shield is a piece of wargear.

You dont get to lower AV because the rules for I. B. state you cannot. This is nothing to do with AV.

Made it a point to mention entropic strike because it permanently affects the vehicle, are there other units that can do that? I am pretty sure the Vindicare is unique, and maybe they simply overlooked it. The concept is the same, stripping is stripping.

Codex: Grey Knights wrote:"...when a wound from this round is allocated to a model..."

It's wound, not hit. After all, hits are not allocated. Wounds are.
Can't see an FAQ that's changed this.

Hmm, true, thought it was a hit but of course that doesnt work.
So no, ou dont get to Shield break a Knight

GW's FAQ on ++ saves on vehicles specifically calls out that wounds = glances/pen hits...



so do we need GW to FAQ that change for ALL effects from all sources, or is GW FAQ'ing it once is enough....

I mean, the only reason your vehicle GETS a ++ save, is because GW FAQ'ed wounds to equal glance/pens hits on vehicles....

so yes, shield breaker works on this... for the same reason you get a ++ in the first place


from the faq
"Invulnerable saves are
different to armour saves because they may always be taken
whenever the model suffers a Wound or, in the case of vehicles,
suffers a penetrating or glancing hit – the Armour Piercing"

I would acctually put forth, that if the vindicare hit a facing in which the ion shield was not covering, that he would not strip it.



Whilst not strictly RAW, I am highly under the impression that RAI he would not strip the invunerable if he hit an unprotected facing since shooting vehicles does indeed rely on facing.

 easysauce wrote:
GW's FAQ on ++ saves on vehicles specifically calls out that wounds = glances/pen hits...

So if a wound is the same as a glance/pen then all the Vindicare has to do is beat the AV of the Knight. Can he do it with his gun?

Spetulhu wrote:
So if a wound is the same as a glance/pen then all the Vindicare has to do is beat the AV of the Knight. Can he do it with his gun?

Just.

Even if we assume that glances/pens equate to wounds...
It's a sniper rifle. Meaning it counts as Str.3 for Pen.
You'd have to be on the side or rear, and get a 6 for pen followed by a 3 Rending. Just to cause a glance.

Honestly you'd be better off just going for the Turbo-penetrator.

yeah, you would have to score the pen/glance...

so really a moot point as even with 3+6+3 you only can get 12...

so while technically possible, you are never ever gonna get this off, you are better off with turbo pen.

Spetulhu wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
GW's FAQ on ++ saves on vehicles specifically calls out that wounds = glances/pen hits...

So if a wound is the same as a glance/pen then all the Vindicare has to do is beat the AV of the Knight. Can he do it with his gun?

A wound is not the same as a glance/pen in all cases.

If it were then Shred, from lightning claws and the like, would get to reroll failed pen rolls...

Easysauce,
The Frequently Asked Question answer you posted here is not enough to make Wounds identical to Penetration/Glancing Results. Prior to the Errata, and it is proper Errata for a change, vehicles lacked the ability to take Invulnerability saves because Wounds and Glance/Penetration Results are handled differently by the rules. This Errata granted the ability to take invulnerability saves from Penetration/Glances not by making Wounds identical to Glance/Penetration Results, but by simply stating that vehicles can take invulnerability against Penetration/Glance Results.

Actually, I would state the inclusion of Glance/Penetration Results to the Invulnerability rules is evidence that the two are still not identical.