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I'll keep my issue short.

Basically I love the chaos armour (drakes, fiends and helbrutes and the terminators) and really want to field a couple of them. I am aiming for 2 Maulerfiends in 1000 points. The one problem with it though is I simply LOVE raptors, I am a huge fan of jump infantry and the raptor models now are just so awesome! So i guess you could say I want to build a sort of Night Lord/Iron Warrior list, and this has been doing my head in all week!

The first box I will be getting is going to be the new Chaos attack force so I do get a mix of what i want:

1 terminator lord
1 maulerfiend
5 terminators
10 chaos marines and a rhino
5 raptors

So here is the list i worked out from this.


Chaos Lord
Terminator armour, chainfist, combi-melta and the MoT

5 Terminators
reaper autocannon, combi-melta x 3, power fist x 2, chaini fist,
223

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
Melta gun x 2
195

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
meltagun x 2
195

Maulerfiend
125

Maulerfiend
125

As you can see there is no room for my beloved raptors (man why can't i take them as troops ;D)

I could take out a chaos squad and replace them with 20 cults but i would be losing an Anti-tank squad or a squad that can help deal with TEQs.

I really really do want to field at least 2 squads of raptors so I can stick to my favourite units and the fluff I am working on for my warband (Warp Fiends) who are pretty much elite raiders, kind of like a splinter force of night lords, but with tanks

I know the way its looking is I just need more points which is probably a fair point but any suggestions that could make it work in at least 1500 or 1000 at best would be much appreciated.

This is also just a casual and fun list which might become semi-competitive but definitely not a tournament list.

Thanks.

I know people will hate me for this but, step it up to 1500 add a drake or two and your raptors because if you dont you will get wrecked, now i know its not tournament style but sometimes heldrakes are just needed
looks fun, have you posted a paint scheme

Consider running that Termi Lord as a Sorc; from what I read the new box will allow you to build either. And the chainfist & combi-melta I feel is overkill on your Lord; drop it to a powerfist, maybe, and use the extra points elsewhere? Having 4-melta shots is overkill on a DS since you have to declare what you're shooting before you roll.

Running 2 maulerfiends is always fun. Between them, your melta CSM, and your termi melta-drop you're gonna wreck Mech lists at 1000pts. That said, you have absolutely no way to deal with hordes. Maulerfiends fail vs mass infantry (ALWAYS keep magma cutters, IMHO) and the meltaguns, while definitely killing whatever they're pointed at, are dropping 1 model/turn.

I like the general feel of the list though, and good on ya for playing CSM!
Death to the corpse-god!

Well I haven't gotten hold of the models yet but the theme is Tzeentchy Slaanesh on the elite units of the army (terms raptors) but it is a dark purple with gold and either red or orange for the eyes and glowy bits on fiends etc

And I could switch up the Lord to a Sorc; my ideas where a Term Lord of Tzeentch in MoT terms up in 1500 so they could tough out more things then eventually throw in a slaanesh sorc with a raptor squad and buff them with him.

As with the chain fist i thought 5 extra points for armour bane was s decent trade since their first target sre the big tanks but i guess in 1000 its either they get shot of the fiends so either way one is gonna wreck something.

But i will either to a power fist and one less meltagun or 2 meltaguns and could bump a Chaod squad into plasmas.

Metroidd wrote:

Chaos Lord
Terminator armour, chainfist, combi-melta and the MoT

5 Terminators
reaper autocannon, combi-melta x 3, power fist x 2, chaini fist,
223

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
Melta gun x 2
195

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
meltagun x 2
195

Maulerfiend
125

Maulerfiend
125

First off realize Choas Space Marines are not a top tier book, knowing that, they can be a fun army to play. you'll need to make your victories with clever use of terrain and tactics.

HQ
If your going with MOT on your lord I'd consider 2 things either go with a sorcerer or a lord with the 4++ sigil thingy. Drop the chainfist in favor of either a power maul or axe.

Termis
Drop the reaper as it is rarly usefull in this unit and go with all combi weapons. Drop the chainfist, with all combi weapons and deepstrike you should be able to penetrate armor pretty well. On the rare occasion you face a Landraider just hope your meltas do the job.

Troops
Cant argue with anything here

Heavy
Never used them no comment

If your going with MOT on your lord I'd consider 2 things either go with a Sorcerer or a Lord with the 4++ Sigil Thingy. Drop the chainfist in favor of either a Mace or Axe.

Termis
Drop reaper as it is rarly usefull in this unit and go with all combi weapons. Drop the chainfist, with all combi weapons and deepstrike you should be able to penetrate armor pretty well. On the rare occasion you face a Landraider just hope your meltas do the job.

Well the problem with the sigil is it is 25 more points for +1 to my invul and it means I am basically spending a chunk of points on terminator armour for only the 2+ save and deepstrike. I was eventually going to take a sorcerer with my raptors and the MoS just so he is better in CC and wont be going last vs most other HQ.

As for the terminators well i was thinking about dropping the reaper and picking up the heavy flamer then switching the meltas to combi-plasmas and make them anti elite seeing as 2 Maulerfiends and at least 1 Chaos squad is plenty of anti tank.

Is this list an improvement?

Chaos Lord
Terminator armour, powerfist, combi-melta and the MoT
142

5 Terminators
heavy flamer, combi-plasma x 3, power fist x 2 and the champ with a combi-plasma
193

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
plasma gun x 2
205

10 Chaos Space Marines and a rhino
meltagun x 2
195

Maulerfiend
125

Maulerfiend
125

or on the terminators i could stick with the meltas, deepstrike in, pop a tank then go around and get their infantry.

I don't really like the Terminator Armour upgrade for the Chaos Lord. Whenever I play with my Lord, I'm always terrified of enemy Power Fists and Monstrous Creature Smash Attacks. Those are the attacks that usually end up killing my Lord, and the Terminator Armour upgrade actually offers very little increased survivability against those dangerous attacks. Not only that but the Lord loses the ability to sweeping advance, but also gains the slow walking speed of the Terminators. I would much rather see a Lord with a movement upgrade- such as a Jump Pack, Bike, or Daemonic Steed. At which point you can toss him into a unit like Spawn or Raptors, and gloriously smash into close combat.

At 1000 points I would probably stick with a small 3 man group of Terminators deep striking in with combi meltas or plasmas. Keeps your costs down to allow you to fit in more of the things you love, like potentially raptors. Terminators are kind of over priced anyway, outside of as a cheap combi weapon delivery system. For about the current price of your Terminator Squad, you could run a small 3 man termicide squad, and a small 5 man raptor squad with 2 melta guns.

If you want to stick with the larger Terminator Squad, I would say take the Reaper Auto Cannon, because at 1000 points you want your HQ and retinue on the board from turn one, and the Reaper Auto Cannon can contribute to the battle from a distance while your terminators lumber forwards. I would also swap the Terminator Lord for a Terminator Sorcerer, as that will give you some additional actions to take to support your army while you advance up the field. It might also make sense to take MoT or something similar on your Terminators, as the 4++ can help them a lot when getting stuck in with superior enemy combat units.

Completely off topic...but...does that box actually save you 50$ of buying all the units separately?

Could this be true?

Yeah I am giving the terminators MoT in 1500, just lacked the spare points.

I just wrote up a alternative list

Chaos Lord
jump pack, dual lightning claws, Sigil of Corruption and MoS

10 Chaos Marines
meltagun x 2
170

Rhino
dirge caster(so my raptors can charge without any overwatch on them)
40

20 Cults
90

3 Terminators
combi-melta x 3

8 Raptors
flamer x 2, power weapon on champ
183

Maulerfiend
125

Maulerfiend
125


I do actually like this list and in 1500 i just bump raptors to 9 (MoS if i can), fill out my terms add the 2nd chaos squad and a heldrake.

If you can find 10 points, I would upgrade one of your Lord's Lightning Claws to a Power Fist. Because both the Power Fist and Lightning Claw are "specialist" weapons, you get an additional attack for having two of them. You also gain the added flexibility of choosing between s8 ap2 unwieldy and s4 ap3 shred depending on the situation your Lord finds himself in.

I would also recommend putting 2 Flamers into your Cultist blob. They don't roll to hit so it doesn't matter that Cultists have pants ballistic skill, and the extra overwatch and short range fire power offered by Flamers may really save the day when dealing with enemies trying to contest your objective.

At 1000 points, I would actually recommend taking a cheap Lord, and keeping him with your Culist blob. This gives you a big mob of fearless bodies, which you can then place on an objective, and it gives you a bit better close combat deterant against quick enemies who manage to get stuck in with your cultists. It also saves a few more points for grabbing more upgrades on your other units.

I could drop the sigil to a aura of dark glory And get the fist but i was just gonna use cults to hold my objective and if they are on trouble send raptors or the rhino (if it survives) to help them.
Although if it is for a cheaper HQ i can just convert a warptalon/sorcerer:

Sorcerer
jump pack, 2 additional levels, MoS
140

My original thoughts were MoT lord with MoT terminators deepstriking and popping a tank then going after the next biggest threat while the Sorcerer goes with one of the raptors and buffs them with telepathy and go for the hordes or things like devastators.


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Completely off topic...but...does that box actually save you 50$ of buying all the units separately?

well the set on the GW pound is £120, but on giftforgeeks.com it is only £90 so saving a lot of money getting it from there

Metroidd wrote:
Yeah I am giving the terminators MoT in 1500, just lacked the spare points.

I just wrote up a alternative list

Chaos Lord
jump pack, dual lightning claws, Sigil of Corruption and MoS

10 Chaos Marines
meltagun x 2
170

Rhino
dirge caster(so my raptors can charge without any overwatch on them)
40

20 Cults
90

3 Terminators
combi-melta x 3

8 Raptors
flamer x 2, power weapon on champ
183

Maulerfiend
125

Maulerfiend
125


I do actually like this list and in 1500 i just bump raptors to 9 (MoS if i can), fill out my terms add the 2nd chaos squad and a heldrake.

CSMs are awful. They aren't going to do anything for you if you aren't holding a back line objective. If you are set on putting the MoS on your Lord, that means you have access to Noise Marines as troops. Bring themes. Blast masters are nasty. Strength 8 AP3 blast ignores cover. Mean. Put the Icon of excess on the blast masters means your squad gains 5+ Feel No Pain. Much better at holding control points than CSMs. CSMs are just awful. Plus then you'll have some nasty shooting to cover your Mauler fiends.

One area of concern. You have no anti air. Maybe consider an aegis with a quad gun for for 100 points? the aegis will keep your cultists safe while they hold your rear objective.

Well I have been contemplating on Noise Marines but i just dont have the points for them in that list, what is it 240 points for 10 with 2 blastmasters? then an extra 30 for the banner. Also in the set I get a rhino so I will be wanting to use it, and it can help the raptors charge if it survives turn 1 so the noise marines would have to come later.

You do make a good point with no anti-air, although the only anti air i would expect to be fighting is the flyer for SM in 1000 points, or a flyrant if my brother tries tthat out.

I am still thinking out and drafting up a few mock lists though, just to explore the tactics and ways I can go with the type of army I want to field. However I probably will be going with a Terminator Lord of Tzeentch since i get the model and he looks awesome. Well the lord or the sorcerer, I'll see what i can come up with.

My favourite mark is actually Slaanesh so a list that works with my wanting of raptors terms and mauler/forges would be great with noise marines in there as well.

but of course the more specialized the units the more cost it is to field them

Also it means i would need the Term Lord with Slaanesh, but that would make my terms needing MoS instead of MoT and there wouldnt be much point of taking the anti tank squad either, so with no power fists or anything a regular term squad would take me down since i have no AP 2 weapons.

if you go tzeentch HQ. Go sorcerer. It allows thousand son troops. But thousand sons are more pricey than noise marines.

Anyway. Number one mistake Chaos player make with their terminators is this. Chaos Terminators aren't space marine Terminators. They aren't going win battles with their strength and firepower alone. Chaos Terminators strength is they are cheap. Exploit that. Your bring a termy sorcerer. Roll on Biomancy. Power up you termies iron arm or other psychic power . not upgrades. Never buy the reaper. Its not worth it. Buy combi plasma or combi melt as based on what your facing. Lightning claws are the most you want to spend on your termy assault weapon. But keep some power axes in case you face 2+ armor.

Yea that does make sense
sense, 202 for 5 with MoT and 4 combi weapons is fairly good id say, Ill experiment with lists a bit more, and thanks everyone for all tye input. Was really helpful!