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Went 2-2-1 at a recent GT. I had tons of fun and did well. I honestly attribute both losses and draw to misplays on my part, and not to take away from my opponents because they all capitalized on my mistakes.

I need to rethink my list though. Currently:
Flyrant dual devourers (Watlord)
Flyrant Hive commander, dual devourers
Venomthrope
Zoanthrope
Tervigon cluster spines
30 gants
24 hormagaunts
25 Gargoyles
2 dakkafexen in a unit
Tyranofex with adrenal glands
3 biovores
Bastion

To add more units that did well, and remove units that performed poorly:

Flyrant dual devourers
Flyrant dual devourers
Venomthrope
20 hormagaunts
20 hormagaunts
3 warriors 2 with dual scything talons and 1 with dual boneswords and scything talons, adrenal glands
Crone
Crone
2 dakkafexen
2 tyranofexen both with adrenal glands
Aegis defense line

Basic idea of the change is so that I force my opponent to prioritize my target saturation: Flyers first, super durable 2+ T6 monsters and 3+ T6 fexen with at least a 4+ cover from an advanced ADL, and holding backfield are capable melee units of hormagaunts and warrior is under the benefit of shrouding and hopefully intervening models, ruins, or ADL cover save.

Reasons for changes:
Gargoyles dropped because I wasn't able to take advantage of their tarpit ability and their speed was typically no better than a hormagaunt.
Tervigon, mainly because of my tendency to outflank it, it wasn't producing gants and wasn't a threat in any game.
Gant tax is removed because it isn't needed anymore
Added another Tyranofex because of its great durability, the fact that it was a jack-of-all-trades, and paired with the dakkafexen they shouldn't get tarpitted too easily...
Added warriors to fill the synapse gap and boneswords because I had the points.
Crones were added for threat saturation and additional ignores cover and to fill the ranged AT/AA gap.

Any thoughts/comments? I believe this could be the best build out there for Tyranids now, ignoring Escalation + Stronghold and obviously formations...

If you can scape up some points. I'd suggest Thorax Hives for the Tyranofexen, that extra template comes in real handy.

I agree with most of your changes. I agree that tervigons can be replaced for more efficient synapse or scoring options, giving you the in for a Crone + multiple small scoring units. The only thing I'd recommend is taking away a hormablob for more scoring units.

Two tyrannofex is ovbiously nasty - do you run them on opposite flanks then close then fill the gap with bodies? If you keep the 2 bio, you'd have more points for MSU but I've been leaning to 2 Tfex myself. And yea, I'd go with the double template : ). Strong overwatch protection, too.

One thing though - I feel like the Gargs still command more of a speed threat... maybe give them a try again? Not to mention the pois on 6+ or blind attacks help counter WK for major tarpit potential and cheaper than pois/AG horma, but your call. I'd think 12 + 2d6 charge or d6run should beat 6" + d6+3 run or 6" + 2d6 charge.

Let me know how the next run goes!


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If horma still had Beast, I'd consider them over Gargs for sure.

How about something like this:

Dakka Flyrant x 2

Trevigon+Norn+Maisma
Termagants x 30

Harpy
Chrone x 2

Venomthrope

Tyranofex+AG x2
Mawloc

citadel wrote:I agree with most of your changes. I agree that tervigons can be replaced for more efficient synapse or scoring options, giving you the in for a Crone + multiple small scoring units. The only thing I'd recommend is taking away a hormablob for more scoring units.

Two tyrannofex is ovbiously nasty - do you run them on opposite flanks then close then fill the gap with bodies? If you keep the 2 bio, you'd have more points for MSU but I've been leaning to 2 Tfex myself. And yea, I'd go with the double template : ). Strong overwatch protection, too.

One thing though - I feel like the Gargs still command more of a speed threat... maybe give them a try again? Not to mention the pois on 6+ or blind attacks help counter WK for major tarpit potential and cheaper than pois/AG horma, but your call. I'd think 12 + 2d6 charge or d6run should beat 6" + d6+3 run or 6" + 2d6 charge.

Let me know how the next run goes!


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If horma still had Beast, I'd consider them over Gargs for sure.

I agree, I have a hard time dropping the gargoyles, and I did consider all the reasons they are better than hormagaunts on paper....but they aren't scoring and if I intend to drop the Tervigon I need I bolster my troops. If I had a wish come true, it would be to reacquire sturdy scoring units....

FeindusMaximus wrote:How about something like this:

Dakka Flyrant x 2

Trevigon+Norn+Maisma
Termagants x 30

Harpy
Chrone x 2

Venomthrope

Tyranofex+AG x2
Mawloc

Not bad, but I despise the Mawloc. I know that people like them, but they are too random for my liking. Plus by removing the dual dakkafexen I'm losing that incredible board control factor that Tyranids can do awesome with. Try to remove 20 T6 2+/3+/4+cv from the middle of the board behind an ADL.
Moreover, adding those upgrades to the Tervigon, you're putting a huge target on its head (more than it already has).

Lastly, I love the idea of adding another flier, but sadly I don't have the models to accommodate it. I don't think that either of the the rules for Tyranids are very good. I am simply adding the Crones to distract from the Flyrants. If they manage to do literally anything besides that goal I'll be ecstatic.

I like your thinking. However, only 3 troops, and all of them being CC oriented is further threatened by the fact that the HGaunts need synapse and you only have 3 sources of synapse with 2 of them (flyrants) needed for damage output, and very high in the enemy target priority.

Therefore, I suggest you drop the Dakkafexes (en?) for a Trygon Prime. The Trygon has fleet & Synapse, and is a beast in CC. He only does as much shooting as 1 Dakkafex, but he can deep strike without mishap which would give you more flexibility in some games. Also he is more survivable.

I would run the HGaunts in 3 squads. 20 + 10 + 10, to give you one more scoring option. You can still use them as bubblewrap if you want.

tag8833 wrote:
I like your thinking. However, only 3 troops, and all of them being CC oriented is further threatened by the fact that the HGaunts need synapse and you only have 3 sources of synapse with 2 of them (flyrants) needed for damage output, and very high in the enemy target priority.

Therefore, I suggest you drop the Dakkafexes (en?) for a Trygon Prime. The Trygon has fleet & Synapse, and is a beast in CC. He only does as much shooting as 1 Dakkafex, but he can deep strike without mishap which would give you more flexibility in some games. Also he is more survivable.

I would run the HGaunts in 3 squads. 20 + 10 + 10, to give you one more scoring option. You can still use them as bubblewrap if you want.

I see what you're getting at, however, both versions of my list, I only have 3 troops. In the former, Tervigon isn't considered a ranged specialist (nor is it superb at melee). The gants aren't good enough at either to be considered even average at either skill. The hormagaunts are at least specialized in melee.

In the later, I also have 3 troops I just took units that's are specialized at their skill. Because this list lost a synapse node in the elite spot I couldn't also afford to lose it there. I agree a Trygon Prime wouldn't be a bad consideration to fit the needs but I would regret losing the 24 TL S6 shots.

I don't think splitting the units would be smart though because I could pretty easily lose First Blood.