New exalted flamer with furies of tzeentch

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**SlyasR**

I was thinking of adding the new data-slate model to a unit of 20 furies.

the Idea is to drop them into midfield in a very good position so that the flamer doesnt have to move anymore. Deep strike in and protect your flamer with furies as ablative wounds (remember their tzeentch invul save). I think its a given that the unit will survive until their next turn albeit with casualties to the furies. But when your next turn comes the furies can leave the flamer in its position and go out and hunt something small down while your flamer makes havoc. Meanwhile this whole thing enables the rest of your army to not be hit as hard

so is it viable? I have heard about using horrors, and since they can shoot it looks good but they are not as cheap (and they will die the same) and not as fast for hunting afterwards

**JubbJubbz**

Maybe I am miss remembering but isn't it type: Infantry (Character) meaning it can join anything as its not an IC?

**SlyasR**

I have the page in front of me. It has the type: infantry character but has the independent character special rule under the special rules section so I take that as a good to go from GW

**gwarsh41**

Well you will have to drop within 18 inches. Too close and you will just be assaulted/rapid fired, too far and you will be out of range.

I think it is one of the best ways for the tactic to work, but it isn't really something daemons need.

**schadenfreude**

Furies don't score. I think the real power of the new exalted flamer is it's ability to enhance the dakka of pink horrors and make a precious troops choice less vulnerable. Deamon players usually run light on troops

If the flamer shoots the furies can't assault, but if the flame template is in range so are the horrors with pink fire.

A 16+ size unit of horrors also has a good chance of knowing the anti vehicle psychic power.

**CrownAxe**

schadenfreude wrote:

A 16+ size unit of horrors also has a good chance of knowing the anti vehicle psychic power.

Just so you know this isn't true. As a brotherhood of psykers they are only ever a lv1 psykers regardless of unit size so only generate one power and can 't even roll infernal gateway because it cost two warp charges.

**schadenfreude**

Doh, was thinking WHFB. I stand by the 2 other points. As a low troop army the exalted flamer is there to buff your troops instead of have your troops protect the flamer.

**MarkyMark**

Bolt of change is the better anti tank power, and is ML1. Still I dont really rate that on horrors, FF is still better for them overall IMO and for the lists I run which is probably quite important.

**schadenfreude**

FF mixes well with the flame torrent template, not so much with the D3 high str shots against high AV targets. Against AV12 and under FF at S6 can add some glances to the D3 shots.

**CrownAxe**

The only use for theme i see is as counterfire/assault for camping horrors. The template gives them decent overwatch (and allows you to trigger blasting standard on overwatch as well) and gives them a good tool to deal with MCs or Walkers coming at them. Plus has a solid range to do so

**Kain**

In addition to what has already been said, your tactic requires the usage of Furies. Which are a firm contender for worst unit in the game and have a statline even conscripts would laugh at, and generally a disappointing at best usage of a fast attack slot when hounds, seekers, plague-drones, screamers, blight drones, and hellflayers all share the slot (to be fair, blight drones and hellflayers are generally a little bit meh).

Horrors are where you want your exalted flamers, not the daemon-chickens who are utterly boned the instant they ever have to roll on leadership for anything thanks to ld2 and prevent you from taking more of some pretty sweet units in your codex.

**astro_nomicon**

What's the low down on this new flamer dude?

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nvm just found it.

for anyone else that needs clarification : http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/03/exalted-flamer-of-tzeentch.html#more

Totally agree with this guys complaints. Takes up one of my valuable spots as a herarld, but you can't upgrade him at all? pfffft.

If he could take locus of conjuration, maybe, but I mean you can do wayyy better than him by taking a cheap Tz'erald with the locus for like 15 pts more,

**schadenfreude**

If there is 1 herald in the army the army either has 5 or 8 hq slots. I'm not buying that HQ slots are a precious commodity when deamons so easily run out of points. Fateweaver, 2 heralds with exalted gifts and unit buffs, 40 bodies as troops, and 40 dogs comes to a lot of points with a lot of other things players might want to add to their army. That's probably at about 1,500 already if the list includes locus of conjuration and lvl3 on a tze herald and a juggy on a khorne herald. The thought of only having 2 slots for heralds left shouldn't cause alarm or panic when there are so many other things the army can buy.

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*Except for the fateweaver + 4 herald screamer star lists* That particular list doesn't have any room for more heralds, but screamer star is an entirely different beast than a normal deamon list.

**astro_nomicon**

True, I just dislike his lack of expandability when a Tz'erald can already do the same thing, but better.

Although a blob of horrors with a Tz'erald and one of these guys could be interesting.

**gwarsh41**

It isn't that the book only has so many precious HQ slots, (which we are limited to a max of 4 heralds in an army, so 5 HQ max), but rather that I don't want to spend those points on such a crummy unit. Imagine if that unit in any other codex. It is short range, can't move and shoot, and only has a ++5.

Instead of taking it, I could add 5 more pink horrors to a squad and give them another ML. Or I could take a Normal T herald and buff the unit to S6 and prescience them or give them 2D6 more shots, or both.

Really feels like a half baked idea to me. If it was jump infantry like a flamer, and a bit more expensive it might be useful.

**astro_nomicon**

Its pretty hilarious that the fantasy version is basically what relentless is in 40k and they still haven't even given the chariot version the ability to move and shoot.