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Made in ch
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




Hi all
i will fight soon an imperial guard army; i never had a match against IG before so i'm not really sure what should i bring; however, i did know something:
1) he have 1 vendetta, and most of time he will use it
2) he own a lot of tank: 3 or 4 Leman Russ, half a dozen of Chimera, one or two Hellhound.
3) he own a lot of trooper of various source and origin, and also some converted special characther

the army list i usually use is pretty straightforward:
2x Fragioso Dreadnaught on pod
3 or 4x Las/Plas Razorback with 5x ASM with meltagun inside
1x Flamer + Hand Flamer sergeant ASM squad on pod
1x scout sniper ASM
2x Baal Predator with Flamestorm+HB
Mephiston

however, this is not well suited against an heavy tank IG army, and also i can get a +100 point 'cause of campaign rule so i need to make some change:
- meltagun + magna grapple on fragioso
- using a standard Libby with SoS and Blood Lance
- swap one razorback for a land raider + multi-melta; embarking libby and a sanguinary priest on this LR to be sure marine will come to assault
- removing Baal Predator for a couple of Vindicator (same cost, and still AV13 tank u_u )

another idea could be putting inside Dante+Sanguinary Guard to surgically strike and melta his tank from behind, but they are very expensive so dunno if itì's worth the cost (i will need to remove land and a unit of ASM, and maybe something else...)

what do you think?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/18 17:42:58


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Made in gb
Bounding Assault Marine





Cheshire, UK

I don't think you're current list is actually all that bad versus guard. Lots of razorbacks with melta inside, firing las on the way in, could easily get the drop on a few leman russ. The fragnoughts have to be dealt with so that takes the heat off you transports going in. Meph will be basically unstoppable. Only thing to definately drop would be the baals.

   
Made in ch
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




mmmhhh so you think is good to use Mephi against IG?
ok he will be basically ustoppable but not reall a great use (he can chop through every infantry unit, but basically everything can chop IG infantry units...)

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Made in gb
Bounding Assault Marine





Cheshire, UK

True but he is a definate to run them down in sweeping advance (good if they use blobs) and he can go strength 10 to hit tanks.

   
Made in it
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




So far, i'm pretty "unsettled" about "what can i put on the table?"
he definitely have a leman russ squadron, and lascannon are little use against them (and other weapon are utterly useless unless i get on melta range)
plus he will get 1 or 2 vendetta (probably just 1)

i will need to shoot him down from distance? i will need a fast assault? i will need to null deploy them pod everything in melta range? i will need to focus on shielding Mephiston and then let them piss on their pants?

i narrowed down the options to 4 lists, but i'm undecided on what should i bring...

a) Iron Angels:
- Librarian (blood lance, sos)
- Sanguinary Priest (hand flamer)
- 3x Razorback (las/plas) mounted ASM
- drop podded ASM with flamer and 2x hand flamer [Libby and Priest goes here]
- Scout sniper
- 2x Baal
- 2x Dreadnaught in pod w multi-melta and missile
- stormraven

stormraven is for Vendetta and also can shoot down some big tank; Dreadnaught and Baal for alpha strike; sniper for command squad and precision shoot heavy weapon operative
drop podded ASM for object taking, or flaming down blobs

b) Can Opener
- Librarian (blood lance, sos), Jump Pack
- drop podded honour guard w 4x melta and 5x melta bombs
- 2x Fragioso with meltagun and magna-grapple in pod
- Priest with Jump Pack and melta bombs
- 3x razorback (las/plas) mounted ASM
- ASM with 2x meltagun, 1x melta bombs and plasma pistol (or infernus pistol?) [Libby and Priest goes here]
- 2x baal predator
- ADL with Icarus Lascannon

icarus is for vendetta(s) and also can long range shoot tank; fragioso and baal for alpha strike (fragioso can both be tank hunting or infantry hunting... hopefully can take down both if he bubblewrap them behind troop lines). Honour guard for tank popping, and hopefully charge them on second turn; JP big unit for seizing objective, or hunt down tank. I can combat squad them or DoA them based on mission rolled

c) Changing of the Guard
- Libby (sos and blood lance)
- 2x Fragioso w/meltagun and magna-grapple in pod
- Priest with storm bolter
- 2x Land Raider with meltagun, and ASM inside (5 men with meltagun) [Libby and Priest are on LR #1]
- 1x razorback (las/plas) mounted ASM
- drop podded ASM with 2x flamer and 2x hand flamer
- 2x baal predator

baal predator and fragioso (again) for alpha strike; fragioso can both be tank hunting, infantry hunting, or bubblewrap hunting LR are for quick advance and hopefully bring marine on close combat while shooting down with lascannon and multi-melta. razorback are for number
got nothing to face vendettta, so i'll hope he will roll low on reserve roll and/or i will have everything on CC when he arrives (also: flooding with a lot of high-av target can work too)

d) Mephiston vs Guard
- Mephiston
- 2x fragioso dreadnaught in pod with meltagun and magna-grapple
- 4x razorback (las/plas) mounted ASM
- drop podded ASM with 2x flamer and 2x hand flamer and meltabombs
- scout sniper
- 2x baal predator

again, baal and fragioso for alpha strike, sniper for taking down command squad and/or precision shot heavy weapon specialist; drop podded asm for capturing objective, holding position or narrow down troops remnants; can be combat squadded for multiple target.
still nothing to face vendetta, and again going close combat and flooding with a lot of tank and marines can be a good choice to force him selecting only one target
this list is Mephiston's one-man show 'cause he will need to tank hunt and scare them to death.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
a friend of mine, former IG player, adviced me another strategy i would summarize on this list

e) Whoever hit first, hit twice
- Mephiston
- 2x Furioso on pod, with frag cannon and heavy flamer
- 2x drop podded ASM with 2x meltagun (melta bomb and/or power weapon on sarge)
- 1x drop podded ASM with 2x Flamer, 2x Hand Flamer on sarge
- scout sniper squad
- 2x Baal Predator (flamestorm + HB)
- stormraven

tactic is straight forward: Fragioso and one ASM drop down from the skies to blast his men; i can choose wich pod dropping based on his deployement (maybe 2x meltagun and one dread if he got very little body count, or all flamer if he play with a lot of troopers, etc). Baal and dropped dread/asm does alpha strike to his men and hopefully some tank
sniper to hunt down command squad; stormraven for vendetta(s)
Mephiston can kill a single leman russ squadron if he get to close combat, and that means he will need to shoot him on his first turn (letting everything else going on close combat, including the fragioso) or let him come closer. Reserve roll are what i will need the most, and hopefully i will get +2 for them 'cause to campaign rules...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/21 13:53:12


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Made in it
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




In the end, i used the last one
the one with 5 pod and the 'raven

i need only to say that he killed Mephiston with 5 ratling sniper on turn 2
and that's just one of a long list of very lucky roll (for him, or unlucky for me)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/22 17:59:04


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Each Uisge
3000 (approx)

some of my work here: https://imgur.com/user/MaleficoKelpie/posts

WH40k - Blood Angels https://imgur.com/a/p5F7u and Imperial Knight https://imgur.com/a/STDmxPF
Necromunda https://imgur.com/a/AQ3xX
Kings of War https://imgur.com/a/x56ods7 
   
Made in us
Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker





Saint Louis MO

Im a fan of the lemartes deathstar with 5-8 DC. I also like librarians with jump pack sword and shield powers. And running 2x ravens.

Good...Bad... Im the guy with the, GUN! 
   
 
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