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Looking at the Chaos Space Marine Codex, specifically at Kharn the Betrayer, I noticed that his strength was 5. His weapon Gorechild however is a +1 to strength weapon. Is that 1+ already factored into his stats, or is he a strength six butt-kicker?
   
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I believe they stopped including bonuses in profiles, so I think he does indeed make Str6 attacks.

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That's also how I would say it works. So he's S7 if he charges from Furious Charge, and S6 if he doesn't charge. Kharn rules!
   
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Modifiers from weapons are not included in a model's profile. For example, Kharn could choose to attack with his plasma pistol in combat instead of Gorechild, making him S5 instead of the S6 Gorechild gives him.
   
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 Quanar wrote:
Modifiers from weapons are not included in a model's profile. For example, Kharn could choose to attack with his plasma pistol in combat instead of Gorechild, making him S5 instead of the S6 Gorechild gives him.


Depending on target(tanks and MCs) he could also choose to use his grenades(even though gorechild is the better choice).
   
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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Depending on target(tanks and MCs) he could also choose to use his grenades(even though gorechild is the better choice).
True, but grenades are a set strength and not affected by the S5 of Kharn's profile, so I thought the pistol was a better example.

Back on topic, it is a notable difference since other wargear or special rules that alter stats are included in a model's profile (Plague Marines, for example, already factor in the +1T from MoN), but most weapons only give a bonus when used, so they are not included.

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 Quanar wrote:
Modifiers from weapons are not included in a model's profile. For example, Kharn could choose to attack with his plasma pistol in combat instead of Gorechild, making him S5 instead of the S6 Gorechild gives him.


Of course I can't think of a situation where you wouldn't use Gorechild
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
 Quanar wrote:
Modifiers from weapons are not included in a model's profile. For example, Kharn could choose to attack with his plasma pistol in combat instead of Gorechild, making him S5 instead of the S6 Gorechild gives him.


Of course I can't think of a situation where you wouldn't use Gorechild
If you have 3 marines left to kill and you don't want to kill them because it is your turn and he will get shot to pieces giving your opponent the VP for Warlord. then you would use the pistol as your main cc weapon so you have a lesser chance of killing the three marines.
   
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Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol while it is still holstered!
Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol when it is 2 o'clock!
Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol just checking it's safety! (Silly Kharn, it has no safety)
Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol when it overheats!
Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol before you have even rolled!

I... do... don't know where that came from, but seriously what a guy!

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Not if they make their saves he doesn't...

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JinxDragon wrote:
Really, it is Kharn... he kills three marines with his plasma pistol while it is still holstered!


I got really weird mental images of him doing a sort of weird sideways hip-thrust at his foes to bludgeon them with his holstered pistol.



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