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Personally I'm fine with it.
Especially being I spent several hours making a shiny chart so it was all nice and clear.
he says twitching a little

I've honestly always liked the FoC, it gave you a framework to work with.

Allies were a fun, optional addition too.

Fortifications - go for it, you're just commandeering ones that were there anyway.

Lords of War? - We already had a 0-1 Apoc slot for friendly games anyway, so that's fine by me.

Double FoC? Allows for some hilarious stuff and some cheese, but that's been a thing forever (not that a lot of people noticed) so that's fine anyway.

Inquisition is where it started getting wierd.

If they could be taken as either a primary detachment, or regular allies, we'd honestly be fine.
It'd be nice and (relatively) simple.

And at the end of the day, while it may add some small extra complexity, saying that you can take one Primary Detachment and two Secondary detachments should be more than sufficient.

i.e. - A standard, an Allied and a Fort.
Or an Inq, a LotD and a LoW.
So no more than 3 detachments total.

ALT:
Scaling system:
Here is list of FoCs:
You may take 1 per 500pts or part thereof.
FoCs marked with a * may only be taken once every 4 Detachments.

 J3f wrote:
I made a thread about this earlier, but I'll repost since it didn't get any replies.

 J3f wrote:
With the Advent of Codex Supplements, Mini-Dexes, Escalation, and Stronghold Assault The Force Organisation has grown out of control so it's time to make some alterations.

First I've Added the the Slots that an Allied Detachment would grant to the Primary Detachment. This is so that Allied Armies aren't granted more slots. It's also to throw Tyranids a bone because they will never have an Allied Detachment.

If You want to take Allies their slots come out of your Primary Detachment and your Force Organisation Chart is Identical to the one in the BRB.

Allied Inquisitorial Detachments replace the the Allied Detachment in the above Allied Force Organisation Chart.

As an addendum Space Marines may take an Allied Detachment of Space Marines with a different Chapter Tactic from the Primary Detachment.

Essentially You pick between the 3 Force Organisation Charts, or pick 2 for games of 2000+ points.

Escalation, Lords of War, Formations, and Strong Hold Assault are as optional as Apocalypse which is to say must be agreed upon or chosen by Tournament Officials.


Standard Force Organisation Chart

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Allied Force Organisation Chart

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Inquisitorial Force Organisation Chart

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1: GIANT white things.
I'm on a 22" monitor, and I have to scroll to see the bottom 30-40% of each image.
They should be at least half the size, with a light grey background (far easier on the eyes).
Lot of wasted space too.

2: You spelt Fortification wrong in the first image.

3: Stronghold Assault is an update to the fortification rules, and should be included with the standard Fortification rules.
Use of StrD should be restricted and up to TOs though.

I like Razorwire.

4: Your way isn't really any less complicated.
You're replacing one chart with 3+.

5: Furthermore, you're combining of Allied to standard in the first image is a little crazy.
Allowing an army to take 4HS or Elites, without the prior requirement of at least 2HQ and 3 Troops for that privelidge opens up a lotta crazy crap.

For example - 4 Ravagers, 1 Haemonculi, 2x5 Warriors and 2 Venoms is 700pts.
You can do 4 Vindicators and support for much the same.

The lists you could make at 750 and 1000pts would be obscene.

In Conclusion
Doesn't really fix anything.
Potential to make it worse.

Having to take 75% of a squad is absurd.
And reading the rest of your post, it implies you intend for it to be one half of squads rounding up have this restriction

That means forcing you to take 15 Sisters of Battle, or 15CSM, for NO reason.
Same for Dark Eldar Warriors or Wyches, you're forcing them to be min 15, which means they can't take ANY transports, which means they die.

This doesn't really hurt most 'bad' lists, and cripples a lot of fun and interesting lists and armies.


Also, for your system of multiples, armies with limited options in areas, or struggling are hit hard.

If I want to take 2 squads of 3 Grotesques, (that's already 200 per squad anyway), 2 would now be 425 instead of 400, and 3 would be 675 instead.
Well damn, now I can't take 3 at 2000pts anymore.

With my 2K DE list of 3 Haemonculi, 3x3 Grotesques in Raiders, 2x10 Wracks in Raiders, 3x3 Wracks (Hex Rifle) in Venoms, 2 Talos and a Razorwing, I'm having to pay a tax of 100pts.
Furthermore, I can't take 1 squad of my Hex Rifle Wracks, which means I can't take a Talos or the Razorwing, nor 1 squad of Grotesques anyway.

Sisters having to pay +75pts for 3 Exorcists is stupid.
And for MY sisters list (again, another silly and/or fluffy list) Celestine, 3x10 Repentia, 2-4x5 BSS, 1 Seraphim, 3x3 Penitent Engines, I have to pay a 150pt tax, on what's already considered overpriced units.
Oh, and I can't anyway, because I don't have the prerequisite min 60 Battle Sisters to take the 3 Repentia and 3 Penitent Engines.

Furthermore, my silly 6 Vindicator Army (one of only 2-3 that use the Double FoC) is just crippled, as it would need +20 Space Marines (so +280 for no reason), and have to pay a 375pt 'tax'.

I don't think I have a single list that wouldn't be completely crippled by these rules, and almost all of them only use the 'standard' original FoC anyway!

Johnnytorrance wrote:
It seems pointless to me to complain and come up with hypothetical ideas on how to fix 40k rules. They're not going to listen to us.

This is the proposed rules forum though, for suggestions, homebrew and such.

So people can create their own rules and fixes to use.

Hence, here solely to call peoples ideas pointless, in the place specifically for coming up with new ideas and such, seems a bit silly.

THREAD RELEVANT:
I'm thinking that a (relatively) easy balancing act, if not would be to keep what's above.
This then doesn't invalidate anything, and is easier than coming up with individual fixes army to army.

HOWEVER:
You get the Primary Detachment (whichever you choose).

Everything else is listed as a 'Support' Detachment.
No more than 50% of any list can be Support.

This means that in a 1500pt list, at least 750pts must be the primary detachment.

This stops crazy lists with say, JUST an Inquisitor then a ton of formations, or min 1Troops + 2HQ, with big old Lords of War / Titans / Fortifications / Allies / Whatever.