1850 Eldar and Grey Knights List (Escalation & Stronghold Assualt Used)

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**Bloodhorror**

Autarch

5 Dire Avengers

5 Dire Avengers

Coteaz

3 Acolytes

5 man Purgation Squad

Revenant Titan with Pulsars

Aquallia Strongpoint with Macro Cannon

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Able to Target 3 Units a Turn with D Weapons.

Purgation Squad is there to sit out of LOS behind that giant Macro Cannon and HOPEFULLY Pass their Pysker Test each turn!

**Arbiter**

To be honest, in my meta (competitive to downright brutal) this would get tabled 3/3 games with no room for debate.

Your troops all 3 of them will never see an objective in their short life, as well as having no AA anti FMC and hell, harlequins will table you (if they make that psychic test).

**Bloodhorror**

Why would Harlequins Table me o.O?

**Arbiter**

Because of the veil of tears (depending on how well you roll).

**Bloodhorror**

I'm afraid I've never really seen that be used...

Don't suppose you could explain to me what it does that'd ruin my day could you

?

**Arbiter**

Certainly! Veil of tears is a psychic power that can only be used by the harlequin shadow seer, if the psychic test is past (big if) any units attempting to shoot at the unit (including any IC) must roll "2D6" multiply it by "2" tha'ts how far each model can see, any model that is out of range to the targeted unit cannot shoot, nor choose a different target to shoot at.

That pretty much means you can't hit them out of 24" and within that its up to the dice, they each have 4 S4 rending attacks on the charge at WS5 I6, and with a farseer they can get re rolls to hit and even to wound/armour pen, as well as having assault grenades (given to them by the shadow seer) .
So I would never count on someone throwing 30+ harlequins at you, but it would be funny (if annoying) to see.

**Bloodhorror**

Purgation Squads ignore that as far as I am Aware...

On a passed test, they ignore LOS and things like Night Fighting.

**sleekid**

but they only shoot at 24 at most with psycanon anyway and will give a 4+ cover save to the harlequins

**Arbiter**

Just for clarification Veil of tears is not night fighting, its a psychic power and therefor cannot be ignored by any rules unless it says otherwise (which it doesn't as I also play GK), also it doesn't say the purgation squad comes with psycannons so...

**Bloodhorror**

No but they'll be using the Macro Cannon and firing their D Weapon

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If the Psychic test is
passed, the unit (and any accompanying character chosen from Codex: Grey Knights) can shoot at any enemy unit within range, even if they do not have line of sight to it. If the Night Fighting rules are in effect at the time their targets do not benefit from the Stealth or Shrouded special rules”.

I presume the "even if they do not have line of sight to it" would counter the Veil of Tears?

**sleekid**

line of sight is not the same as in range.
so you will be able to shoot once you can see them but that is about it.

indeed i had not seen the macro canon, my bad for mentionning the psycanons

**Bloodhorror**

I've not read Veil of tears enough to be sure, but doesn it say that models outside of the bubble cannot SEE them? or are out of Range?

**Arbiter**

Models outside of the bubble cannot see them (fluff wise) and therefore are out of range (game wise).

**Bloodhorror**

Fair enough then

If I ever come up against a Unit of Harlequins, consider me Screwed

!

**ninjafiredragon**

The list I was thinking of bringing to a event was 2 lynxs, void sheilds, and then troops. Would blow aquila turn one in one shot and hurt rev, while you take down 2 void sheilds. Turn 2 sees the rest of your army destroyed.

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Oh wait this is 1850 not 2k.... so never mind. Add more void sheilds with only one lynx and ill still wipe you

**Arbiter**

That's an interesting post ninja, I was half expecting you to say a lynx and half a dozen wave serpents.

As for harlequins no one (other then me) takes them anymore (don't quote me as I only go to two game stores) let alone an army of 30-40 of them as they are 266pts per ten man unit (you have to have the goodies).

I would say drop the rev and keep the stronghold, and in place for the 900+ points take dark reapers, and war walkers or vaul's wrath support batteries with a warlock (giving a nice 2+ cover save on top of T7).

**ninjafiredragon**

I would say the opposite, drop strong point, keep rev.
The strong hold gets blown on a 2+ with ONE Strength D shot (and sense its escalation expect it) and its impossible to miss because its so big. Thats 500+ points dropped in one shot. Rev titan doesnt get dropped in one shot, maybe in two, and with 3 theres a good chance. Thats still 2 turns longer it gets to shoot its D weapons

**Arbiter**

ninjafiredragon wrote:
I would say the opposite, drop strong point, keep rev.
The strong hold gets blown on a 2+ with ONE Strength D shot (and sense its escalation expect it) and its impossible to miss because its so big. Thats 500+ points dropped in one shot. Rev titan doesnt get dropped in one shot, maybe in two, and with 3 theres a good chance. Thats still 2 turns longer it gets to shoot its D weapons

Unless there are flying units, which if its anything like my LGS means the rev titan will be useless, someone brought it because he never played a
competitive tournament and then 2 out of 3 games he lost to chaos daemons FMC spam, and then necron air, he never played with it again. So I'm not a
huge fan of Rev titans unless you plan on fighting noobs who have no idea how to play against it.

Note: since not sence