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Hey folks,

I realize this may be viewed as a silly question but, i'd like to squash this with a friend.

The tesla weapon on Necron fliers: It is hull mounted, with a 45 degree arc, correct?

I know what the fluff says and I have done a fair bit of research but i'd still like to throw this one out there because in his opinion it rotates 360 as an "underslung turret."

Thanks

Doing a search in Dakka History will greatly help you.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/477717.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/475679.page

Most people agree that the Tesla on the Night Scythe is a hull mounted weapon, meaning 45 degree horizontal and vertical. If the model itself cannot rotate, then it is not a turret.

Are you sure he is not thinking of the Death Ray? That is the one that always has the hottest contention. Everyone seems to be on the same page with the tesla destructors.

I have definitely done some searching. I just wanted to pose the question myself so that he and I could revert back to this as proof.

He has been proxying, as he has several fliers that are not put together because of having to prime/paint the cockpits and has been absolutely convinced that the tesla weapons are turret mounted...

Which means he hasn't been having to take targetting into account when flying and just shooting wherever including targets behind the fliers. Me and our other friend didn't question it until we saw some evidence to pointing otherwise on sites like this.

Ah, I see.

The tesla guns are definitely not turret mounted. Neither the rules nor the models it self support turret mounting for them.

If he complains, tell him to hurry up and use the real model, then he should see that they are NOT turret mounted.

The threads I linked also cover the debates on death rays. That argument will most assuredly come up between you two. Seriously guys. Read the threads. They'll allow you both to make an informed decision on how to house rule it.

Scippio Martinez wrote:
Hey folks,

I realize this may be viewed as a silly question but, i'd like to squash this with a friend.

The tesla weapon on Necron fliers: It is hull mounted, with a 45 degree arc, correct?

I know what the fluff says and I have done a fair bit of research but i'd still like to throw this one out there because in his opinion it rotates 360 as an "underslung turret."

Thanks

Night Scythe fluff:

"This is not to say that the night scythe is in any way defenceless - quite the opposite. With its turret mounted tesla destructor and the nerve-shredding shriek of its engine..."

I'd be against the notion of a doomscythe not being able to death ray outside of a 45 degree arc even though I play the models as hull mounted. I play it as though the death ray must begin in the arc but can go beyond it.

Something I was wondering recently is how do you determine if something is turret mounted? I feel like it may be an obvious answer but I just don't know it.

I was talking to my friend recently about how to determine it using an annihilation barge as an example. I can't find a written rule that states an annihilation barge's tesla destructor is turret mounted, however, it's demonstrably so because the model definitely looks turret mounted and the artwork depicts the turret on a swivel.

I don't have much of an issue imagining a death ray swiveling underneath the flyer. It might be a stretch for the tesla destructor who are modeled on small mechanical arms within a small indent in the hull. But, still, I've always gone by how the model looks in these cases.

As much as it pains me, I think it is sloppy Writing, the Authors do not inform us what Weapon Mounting each Vehicle Weapon uses and they really should....
That is why people fall back on the whole: Look at the model and decide from there.

JinxDragon wrote:
As much as it pains me, I think it is sloppy Writing, the Authors do not inform us what Weapon Mounting each Vehicle Weapon uses and they really should....
That is why people fall back on the whole: Look at the model and decide from there.

So basically, if I believe enough that a death ray is turret mounted, it is?

I honestly think there has to be some compromise in both parties. A death ray shooting anything within 12" is probably pushing it a little. But restricting it to a hull mounted arc is silly as it would mean that the maximum travel distance of the line would be 9.2" (distance from furthest point to furthest point you can make).

I've had a massive problem with this before where someone believed it worked this way and I told him I'd concede the game if he didn't allow it as it was too limiting.

I.E: He wanted me to fire my death ray within the hull mounted arc. This meant that the death ray had to acquire a target within a 45 degree arc infront of me between 5 and 12 inches away and then only travel until it left that arc. I was already playing it as hull mounted, but demonstrated that if I restricted it to the same arc when drawing the line I was only going to end up with a 4 - > 9 " line maximum even if I rolled 18" which was so obviously not the original intention of the rule.

No, you have to convince your opponent. Who, seeing there is no way for the death ray to rotate freely, will likely play it as approx hull mounted.

If you actually look at the model it is kind of on a turret but that turret does not freely rotate because the top of the gun is suppose to be glued to the body for more support.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1600092a

Just watch any assembly video to get a clearer picture.

It is in the description that it is a turret mounted weapon, but it is not physically able to be moved. TLOS is kind of wonky as well because of it. Bascially get one of those water cups you find at watercoolers with the spiked bottom, turned upside down it looks like a pointy hat. Then stick that between the guns mid point with the point end towards you and that will give you a good idea of what it's actual TLSO is. It's a little weird as those comes are not exactly 45 degrees but it is fairly close. You can also make a funnel by rolling up paper and get a cone that will give you LOS as well.

It's not just that it's supposed to be glued to the body - there are additional cables that aren't on any kind of turret that don't look like they can stretch.

And the doom gun itself will hit the Tesla cannons if it rotates.