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+++ 1850pt Codex: Space Wolves Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++

Selections:

Codex: Space Wolves (Primary Detachment) Selections:

* Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun

* Rune Priest

* Wolf Lord
2x Fenrisian Wolf, Warlord
Runic Armour, Storm Shield, Thunderwolf, Wolf Claw

* Wolf Guard Pack
* Arjac Rockfist
* 2x Terminator Armour
2x Combi Plasma, 2x Power Axe

* Grey Hunters Pack
Wolf Standard
* 8x Grey Hunter, Plasma Gun
* Rhino


* Grey Hunters Pack
Wolf Standard
* 8x Grey Hunter, Plasma Gun
* Rhino


* Grey Hunters Pack
Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter
Meltagun

* Thunderwolf Cavalry
Melta Bombs
* 3x Thunderwolf Cavalry Power Fist , Storm Shield

* Long Fangs Pack
* 2x Long Fang with Lascannon
* 3x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

* Long Fangs Pack
* 4x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

* Long Fangs Pack
* 4x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

I'd appreciate any input you guys have to refining this list. In my battles, the TWC never lived up to the legends I've heard about them. My long fangs were always targeted first, and most were usually dead by turn 3. Would Vindicators be better to run with my Rhinos? Or is a drop pod army more viable? I played against 2 IG, 1 GK/Eldar, 1 DE/Eldar, and 1 Necron airwing army. If it helps to know what the lists were, let me know and I'll post them as well.

Your list was not really that bad, but it could be a bit better. Eldar are pretty hard to deal with, and IG could really mess you up depending on the list. A necron air force is also fairly difficult. It would help a lot to know what your up against.

A few things to change
Your wolf lord does not need a claw, as you can use the wolf for S5 rending. Take a power fist in case you need the heavy hits. A wolf tail talisman is never a bad idea on a lord if you can afford.

If your terminator wolf guard were going with the hunters, be aware they can't ride in rhinos, so you could drop them down to just power armor and a combi, while taking another hunter in your rhinos. Alternatively, you could get drop pods which are a bit stronger. Arjac is good, but really expensive for what you get. For a tournament, your better off with more thunderwolves and just a termi with a combi plas/melta.

Hunters are fine, and yes drop pods would do better.

Thunderwolves don't really need melta bombs unless you need to assault a land raider, which you probably never went up against. If you see one, just drop pod melta, and in desperation thunderwolves can hurt it. They also don't really need a power fist with the rending wolves. 2 shields and more wolves would help.

Long fangs are really good, so most opponents will target them ASAP. I take it your rune priest is here to give out prescience and stuff. I would get more launcher dudes in the squads, and then terminator armor on the priest if you can afford. If you take 5 wolf guard, a CML terminator is great to lead a long fang squad. If your rune priest is on the quad, a cool tip is to take the chooser of the slain. Helps null infiltrators and whatnot, but you also get BS5 on the twin linked gun.

I appreciate the input so far! I think I'll trade in my rhinos for drop pods. What's the best way to use them? Deploy midfield into cover, or get right into their face? And are 10 Grey Hunters with 2 Special weapons better or should I place a WG in termi armor with each squad? I'll probably drop the thunderwolf calvary and wolf lord too since I didn't see them get much use. Maybe grab some land speeders too to help with the armor in the IG lists. These were the lists I came up against:

GK/Eldar:
Librarian: Mastery Level 2, Nemesis Warding Stave, Smite, Storm Bolter, Vortex of Doom, Warp Rift
Grey Knight Terminator Squad: Brotherhood Banner, Hammerhand, Nemesis Force Daemonhammer, 3x Nemesis Force Halberd, Nemesis Force Sword, Psybolt Ammunition, Psycannon, 5x Storm Bolter, 6x Terminators
Terminator Justicar
Stormraven Gunship: Hurricane Bolters, Psybolt Ammunition, Twin Linked Heavy Bolters, Twin Linked Plasma Cannons
Nemesis Dreadknight: Psyker (Mastery Level 1), Heavy Incinerator, Heavy Psycannon
Farseer: Ancient Doom, Battle Focus, Fleet, Ghosthelm, Independent Character, Psychic Disciplines: Divination, Runes of Fate, Telepathy, Psyker (Mastery Level 3), Rune Armour, Runes of warding
10x Guardian
10x Guardian
5x Ranger
Hemlock Wraithfighter: Psychic Pilot, Psychic Power: Terrify, Psyker (Mastery Level 1), Spirit Stones, Vector Dancer, Mindshock Prod (*), Two Heavy D-Scythes
Dark Reapers: 3x Dark Reaper, 3x Reaper launcher, Exarch
Fire Prism: Holo-fields (*), Prism cannon, Spirit stones (*), Twin-linked shuriken catapults

IG List 1:
Command Squad
Platoon 1
Command squad, missile launcher
infantry w/ hvy bolter
infantry w/ missile
Hvy Wep squard 3x Autocannon
Hvy Wep Squad 3x Las Cannon
Platoon 2
Command squad
Infantry w/flamer, Commisar
Infantry w/flamer, Commisar
Infantry w/ flamer
Infantry w/ flamer
Vet Squad 3x Melta, plus Chimera
Vet squad 3x Melta
Valkyie
Hellhound
x2 Scout Sentials (multi las)
Leman Russ Exterminator
Medusa
Aegis defense Line w/ quad Gun

IG List 2:

Company Command Squad (w/ master of ordnance)
2 Platoons (each with a command squad, 2 squads of guard and 1 heavy weapons team - also a commissar in one of the squads)
1 Chimera
2 Leman Russ Tanks (is the plural of Russ Russi????)
1 Demolisher
3 Basilisks
1 Aegis Defense Line (w/ Quad-gun)

DE/Eldar:

Archon (shadowfield, huskblade, venomblade, haywire grenades, drugs)
4 Grotesques (liquifier) in raider (dark lance)
5 warriors (blaster) in venom (2 splinter cannons)
5 warriors (blaster) in venom (2 splinter cannons)
5 wyches (haywire grenades) in raider (dark lance)
5 wyches (haywire grenades) in raider (dark lance)
Beastpack (4 beastmasters, 10 kymerae, 4 razorwing flocks)
talos pain engine (twin-linked liquifier, twin-linked splinter cannon)
talos pain engine (twin-linked liquifier, twin-linked splinter cannon)

Farseer (jetbike, shard of anaris, singing spear)
3 windrider jetbikes (proxied by 3 DE bikes)
6 warp spiders
1 wraithknight (dual wraithcannons)

Necron:

Nemesor Zhandrekh
Cryptek council with 2 of despair and 3 of the storm
2 squads of death marks with night scythes
2 squads of immortals 5 models a piece in night scythes
a 5 man squad of warriors in a ghost ark
6 wraiths 3 with whip coils
2 annihilation barges

Rune priests with Jaws in drop pods are really vicious against necrons (initiative 2 all round). I'm speaking as a cron player.

Tbh I think you aren't playing to the strengths of your army. If I was to take wolves I'd take 3-4 rune priests a bunch of melta 5 man units in pods with a combi melta from a wolf guard. Also if I was to run thunder wolves I'd ditch the wolf Lord and go 5 man unit with one having a power fist. Lastly longfangs use to be great but in today's meta are not worth the points(to easy to kill and tend not to get their points back) just my 2 cents

I saw the title and thought "I bet there's not enough drop-pods in there" - and there wasn't ... Drop-pod wolves with plenty of Jaws is the way to go, not rhinos and thunder-cav I'm afraid.

Thanks for the input guys! After some thinking, I came up with this revised list for 2000 pts. The rune priests go with the Long Fangs, and so does the WG with Cyclone. Then one WG with each GH squad get dropped in with land speeders hugging cover. I might drop the land speeders for MotW however. I'm avoiding plasmaguns for now because I usually have them overheat at the worst times Let me know what you think:



Codex: Space Wolves (Primary Detachment) Selections:

+ Fortification +

* Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun

+ HQ +

* Rune Priest
2x Biomancy/Divination/Telekinesis, Rune Axe, Wolf Tail Talisman
* Terminator Armour

* Rune Priest
2x Biomancy/Divination/Telekinesis, Chooser of the Slain, Rune Axe, Warlord (*)
* Terminator Armour


+ Elites +

* Wolf Guard Pack
Cyclone Missile Launcher
* 6x Terminator Armour
2x Combi Flamer, 3x Combi Melta, 6x Power Axe


+ Troops + (840pts)

* Grey Hunters Pack 1
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter, Meltagun


* Grey Hunters Pack 2
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter, Meltagun


* Grey Hunters Pack 3
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter, Meltagun


* Grey Hunters Pack 4
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter, Flamer


* Grey Hunters Pack 5
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 8x Grey Hunter, Flamer

+ Fast Attack +

* Land Speeder
Heavy Flamer
* Land Speeder
Heavy Flamer

+ Heavy Support +

* Long Fangs Pack
* 2x Long Fang with Lascannon
* 3x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

* Long Fangs Pack
* 5x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

* Long Fangs Pack
* 5x Long Fang with Missile Launcher

Alright your list aint bad if you are gona mostly be playing friendlies but considering you said you wanted a tourney army here it goes(this includes allies but you can adjust if you dont want any):

Rune Priest (rune axe)
Rune Priest (sword)
Rune Priest (maul)
Rune Priest chooser of the slain(axe)

(you dont have to choose if you are using rule book powers or wolf powers till the game starts and thats good because vs tau and necrons 4x jaws is crazy, this also makes your list pretty nice vs psykers)

Wolf Guard (termi armor seems good but really after a lil mathhammer doesn't really make sense for the points)
3x combi melta (each goes with a squad)
7x combi plasma
Drop pod

Troops
Grey hunters 8x melta
wolf standard, drop pod

Grey hunters 8x melta
wolf standard, drop pod

Grey hunters 8x melta
wolf standard, drop pod

Khan on bike

5 bikes grav guns

5 bikes grav guns

storm talon

thunder fire cannon

thats 1850 it give you 5 scoring units and puts your army in your opponents face fast as hell. (ohh and the storm talon gives you at least something vs fliers)

I appreciate the feedback you guys had. My plan is to drop the 3 GH squads and with the attack bikes, place heavy pressure turn 1 in my opponents field. Thunderfire and Long Fangs provide supportive fire and the Stormtalon helps with aircraft.
Primary Force is SW, Allied is WS

1750 pts

+ HQ + (150pts)

* Kor'Sarro Khan
Chapter Tactics (White Scars), Moondrakken


+ Troops +

* Bike Squad
2x Grav-gun, 5x Space Marine Biker

* Bike Squad (Troops)
2x Grav-gun , 5x Space Marine Biker


+ Fast Attack +

* Stormtalon Gunship
Twin-linked lascannon


+ Heavy Support +

* Thunderfire Cannon

+ HQ +

* Rune Priest
Warlord



+ Troops +

* Grey Hunters Pack 1
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 10x Grey Hunter
* 2 x Flamers


* Grey Hunters Pack 2
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 10x Grey Hunter
* 2 x Meltaguns


* Grey Hunters Pack 3
Wolf Standard
* Drop Pod
* 10x Grey Hunter
* 2 x Meltaguns

+ Heavy Support +

* Long Fangs Pack 1
* Drop Pod
* 5x Long Fang w/ Missile Launcher

* Long Fangs Pack 2
* Drop Pod
* 5x Long Fang w/ Missile Launchers

Looking back through the list, would it be better to DP the RP with JotWW/Murderous hurricane, or should I keep him with the long fangs to cast diviniation spells?

It's going to totally depend on the situation due to the enemy your facing I'd take an extra rp though cus double jaws vs tau or necrons is pretty nice

For future reference, it does not matter what weapon you give a rune priest, they will always be str: user and AP: 3. Also long fangs become exponentially more useful if they have a rune priest attached to them, because then you can give them twin-link with prescience which can be a real game changer. Maybe drop a bike squad and the long fang drop pods to bring in more rune priests, and maybe give the rune priest runic armor and a bike to attach to the squads with the grav guns to really kill anything with more than 1 wound through jaws

Good point about the rune priest. So besides the lack of them, think this new list would stand a chance at a small tournament?

Small friendly tournaments you wouldnt do bad, but really competitive ones you might have trouble, just with the number of mcs, fmcs and flyers, which really are a pain for sw.