Eihnlazer wrote:
So i could take a unit of 20 toughness 5 heavy bolters for 340 points.

they match up pretty favorably againgst sternguard and take up a troop slot.

tbh with the options this squad has you dont need any other slots but troop or hq.

2 HQ's hopefully either buffers, tanks, or melee beatsticks with 6 squads of these guys could beat anything.

they are slow as turd, but their codex should have transports for that.


Well it is a cool idea.........

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
T4/5 because they kept turning into stone I presume?
Really, you should give them some sort of short ranged ion weaponry because that is where the tau originally got ion tech from.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Are these supposed to be robots or some other kind of drone?

The only way Demiurg would ever be encountered physically would be on their ships, as they are almost religiously xeno and agoraphobic. That's why they make heavy use of automatons to do their actual out of ship work.

Also, they are reptilian, not dwarfish. Ignore that picture circulating the net, they are described in BFG source material.

DEMIURG ‘STRONGHOLD’ COMMERCE VESSEL
The type classified as ‘Stronghold’ class is fairly typical of Demiurg vessels, being very large, technologically advanced and extremely well powered. Strongholds appear to act as factory/processor vessels and bases for a fleet of intersytem asteroid mining pods, haulage flyers and prospector probes (it is theorized that many of these are automated). Typically, lone strongholds have been encountered in the flare or mercurial zones of uninhabited star sytems, hanging motionless and prow-on to the star with a cloud of small craft busily hustling to and fro to exploit local resources. In most cases these ships withdraw their craft and disenage if challenged but in some instances have inexplicably turned on their attackers with surprising ferocity. It is worthy of note that every known encounter between Demiurg and Ork vessels has
resulted in combat, and that renegade elements have often hired Demiurg vessels to fight as mercenaries in interplanetary and intersystem power struggles. As warships, Demiurg vessels are slow but well defended, boasting considerable firepower at close ranges and the capacity for launching mining craft reconfigured as attack craft and torpedoes. A notable trait of the Stronghold class is its employment of an array of electromagnetic fields around its prow to scoop up interstellar hydrogen. This is accelerated to the rear of the ship to provide motive power in a ram-jet effect but the complex shielding it requires evidently produces numerous other benefits. This process is little understood by the Adeptus
Mechancius and they would dearly like to secure an intact Stronghold for investigation, but thus far the opportunity has eluded them.

More common than the larger Stronghold class, Demiurg Bastions are nonetheless only occasionally sighted in the giant vastness of wilderness space along the eastern rim of the galaxy. Bastion class vessels appear to be more heavily configured for asteroid mining than
the stately Stronghold, which is known to function as a factory/processor. Presumably resources and finished goods are exchanged between these vessels but there are no eye witness reports of such. Scattered reports by Rogue Traders indicate that a Bastion class vessel is crewed by a ‘brotherhood’ and that Strongholds are homes to typically two or three brotherhoods, it is possible that Strongholds and Bastions form some extended affiliation but if this the case each group must be widely scattered in different systems light years apart. The one exception to this is when the Demiurg muster for war, when two or three Bastions gather to protect each Stronghold. As warships, Bastions compare to cruisers in most respects, though impressive lance turrets and battery firepower at close ranges make them a thorny prospect. As
with the Stronghold class, Bastions have the capacity for launching mining craft and probes reconfigured as attack craft and torpedoes.
Also, like the Stronghold, the Bastion uses an electromagnetic field to scoop up interstellar hydrogen and accelerate it to the rear of the ship to provide motive power and energy for the specialised cutting beam it employs for cracking asteroids or enemy ships.

THE DEMIURG
Once a supremely rare sight, the gigantic stately commerce vessels of the Demiurg have been seen with increasing regularity in the Ultima
Segmentum over recent centuries. Although known in legend among many indigenous races through the region, Demiurg vessels avoid
Imperium-claimed space scrupulously unless specifically invited in. Unfortunately, less than scrupulous planetary governors have been known to employ Demiurg forces to bolster their own positions, inviting Inquisitorial censure for their truck with aliens. Fleet strategists have postulated a link between the ships and the expansion of the Tau Empire on the Eastern Fringe, citing three confirmed sightings of Tau/Demiurg or Kroot/Demiurg fleets in the region of the Damocles Gulf. Others have suggested that the nomadic movement of the mysterious Demiurg demonstrates only an opportunistic desire to capitalise on the disruption caused by the Tyranid hivefleets.

DEMIURG SPECIAL RULES
Demiurg stronghold and Bastion class vessels
use the following the special rules:
Blast Markers:
The curious shielding arrangement of Demiurg vessels dissipates the effects of ionised gases and repels larger obstacles in its path. As a result, any Blast marker which a Stronghold moves over is removed immediately – this includes any in base contact with the stronghold at the beginning of its turn. Blast markers have no effect on the movement of the Demiurg ship. Keep markers ‘hoovered up’ like this to one side so they can be
used to fire a cutting beam from the prow in the shooting phase. Note that Blast markers moved over must be removed, the Demiurg player can’t
choose to remove some markers and leave others in place.

Celestial phenomena:
Demiurg ships are totally unaffected by solar flares, gas and dust clouds and radiation bursts. Do not place blast markers in contact with them
for celestial phenomena of any kind. Deployment and Scenarios

Aside from the Tau, who appear to have the strongest known connection with the Demiurg, a number of races have on occassion been reported as having made contact with these aliens. Any fleet except Orks, Tyranids and Necrons can use Demiurg Bastion class vessels; they are purchased as cruisers but do not contribute to the number of ships required to gain access to battleships, grand cruisers, etc. Demiurg ships can never carry fleet commanders, use fleet commander re-rolls or be placed in squadrons with non-Demiurg vessels. Tau fleets (and other races whose fleet list
specifically include the Demiurg) ignore these restrictions and should instead select Demiurg vessels using the entries given in their fleet list.
Mercenaries
Unless the fleet is entirely composed of Demiurg ships they are considered to be mercenaries and will not continue to fight if crippled. Crippled
Demiurg ships will attempt to disengage every turn and run for the nearest point on the nearest table edge if they fail. However, if the Demiurg
ship is part of a fleet fighting against Orks it will only disengage if first reduced to only having 1 or 2 Damage points remaining.

DEMIURG WEAPONS
Demiurg Stronghold and Bastion class vessels use the following the special rules:
Cutting beam:
The cutting beam is a short ranged but
devastating ionisation beam usually employed for gouging out recalcitrant moonlets. The cutting beam counts as a single lance but each
Blast marker picked up by the Bastion in the Movement phase gives the beam the equivalent of one extra lance shot (up to a maximum of 8).
Blast markers cannot be held from turn to turn in order to power the cutting beam, any unused ones are lost.

Launch bays:
Demiurg ordnance is reconfigured from its automated mining machines within the cavernous dorsal launch bays. Some Demiurg ships are equipped with launch bays which are also permitted to fire torpedoes. If this is the case this will be noted n the ‘Range/Speed’ column of the launch bays profile. Such launch bays can be used to release either attack craft or torpedoes, but not both in the same turn. Note that Demiurg torpedoes and attack craft are not always interchangeable, so Demiurg torpedo tubes cannot be used to launch attack craft, and launch bays may only fire torpedoes if noted in the ship profile.

Rules wise I was thinking something like 18" S7 AP4 Salvo 1/2

I like the idea of a slow, short-ranged shooty army, but I think there are cooler and more "dwarfy" ways to get close other than gating in, which is no more interesting than deep striking and feels like eldar magic, besides.

I picture a huge obelisk thrusting up from the earth, kind of like a reverse drop pod. Or maybe some other way to compensate for their slowness, like some kind of magna-grapple that would allow for short jumps if it hit an enemy vehicle, or a transport that could either count as a skimmer (and have like, armor 8) or enter some kind of far-better turtle mode.

I like the Rhuns as well, but I worry that they may be too generic. Are there any disadvantages to using rhuns? I notice you tried to put a drawback on the adamant one. I don't know, I think for an army to feel dwarfy it should be kind of like an anti-eldar-- very specialized, just in a different way.