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People who also visit /tg/ may have seen the argument unfolding. This debate concerns the new Order "Take Aim!" that was seen in sneak peaks of the AM book.

"Take Aim!- The ordered unit must make a shooting attack. When resolving this shooting attack, all models in the ordered unit have the Precision Shot special rule."

Now we have a problem because 'Precision Shot' does not exist as a rule. Page 63 of the rulebook has a section regarding Precision Shots which reads:
"If any of your character's shots roll a 6 to hit, these are Precision Shots. Wounds from Precision Shots are allocated against a model (or models) of your choice in the target unit, as long as it is in range, rather than following the normal rules for Wound allocation."
So for the first hurdle, I think the only reasonable stance to take is that the AM player can allocate his own Wounds as though everyone in the unit were a character. This seems fair.

However!
We have a very important difference to make here:
Precision Shot- If a character rolls a 6 to hit, it's a Precision Shot. Precision Shots are allocated by you.
Take Aim- All models have the Precision Shot special rule.

There is a very fundamental difference here in that a character has to *earn* Precision Shots by rolling a 6, whereas the Guardsmen simply 'has Precision Shot'. Nothing in the Precision Shot rule states that it only takes effect on a '6' to hit, rather that the character rolls the 6 and then is granted Precision Shot as a reward.

Basically, from a RAW standpoint I believe that 'Take Aim!' is effective for all successful hits, and is not limited to shots that rolled a 6 to hit. This would then make it obscenely powerful, essentially guaranteeing that every single Melta, Lascannon and Battle Cannon shell lands on exactly the right models without needing to roll anything except a hit. This would also mean that template or blast weaponry could potentially kill models from all across a squad, cherry-picking the best bits even if they were standing nowhere near each other.

For supporting evidence, see the 'Sniper' special rule and Illic Nightspears 'Sharpshot'.
Sniper specifies that on a '6', you get Precision Shot, and so functions exactly the same as the character rule.
Sharpshot is a rule applied to Snipers which states that all his shots are always Precision Shots. To me, this is evidence that Precision Shot and rolling 6's are totally unrelated and that a model that has Precision Shot simply 'has it' for all shooting weapons, regardless of the hit roll.

This argument is based on photographs of the Order cards and so I expect this to be an accurate idea of the printed version. Needless to say this is potentially extremely powerful and could form a very significant part of AM tactics, so getting it right is critical.

Maybe wait until the actual rules are released?
There could well be a full description in the book, as opposed to a summary found on the order cards.

Seconded on waiting for release. As you said, getting it right is critical, so speculation based on a preview of a summery card is not ideal.

Precision shots is a special rule, one that allows characters to allocate the wound from to-hit rolls of 6. That is why it is a heading for a rule. It just so happens that rule has an effect with the same name, Like Get's Hot(Blast and vehicles also "Get Hot" with additional rules), Rending has "Rending hits".

If you want to get all technical and rules-lawyery about it you discuss/argue the fact that the rule does not do anything to those issued the order(the character already has the special rule, and only characters rolling 6's benefit from it). Although the intention for it to work is clear.

Assuming you've got the wording right (which i doubt is the case) - if an opponent tried to play it the way you interpreted, it's hardly the intended manner, and it's a douche move.

At least wait until you have the codex before you try and tenuously rules lawyer for a RAW over RAI interpretation.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

If you want to get all technical and rules-lawyery about it you discuss/argue the fact that the rule does not do anything to those issued the order(the character already has the special rule, and only characters rolling 6's benefit from it). Although the intention for it to work is clear.

Ignoring the fact that the description of this order makes it sound useless (whoo, I get to choose where my S3AP- hit goes!), I make a counter to that statement.

The description of the ATS in the Tau codex says "Rolls of 6's have the precision shots special rule". Ergo, rolls of 6's by normal guardsmen would have the precision shots special rule.

Torrent of fire does wonders for taking out meltaguns etc. Dont mock the power of the flashlight!

If those orders also work on hotshot lasguns, then marines are a little more concerned...

Belly; the rule is in the BRB on page 63, and yes it says "your character's shots."

Scipio: And? But as I said in the last sentence of my earlier post: Although the intention for it to work is clear. It was, I believe, brought up in the RAW Issues thread when the Tau Empire codex came out(or it was glossed over and ignored)

I think I will now Highlight My final sentence.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Torrent of fire does wonders for taking out meltaguns etc. Dont mock the power of the flashlight!

If those orders also work on hotshot lasguns, then marines are a little more concerned...

Oh, I'm not. I just don't feel precision shots are useful assuming FRSR is available.


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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Belly; the rule is in the BRB on page 63, and yes it says "your character's shots."

Scipio: And? But as I said in the last sentence of my earlier post: Although the intention for it to work is clear. It was, I believe, brought up in the RAW Issues thread when the Tau Empire codex came out(or it was glossed over and ignored)

I think I will now Highlight My final sentence.

My bad.

no prob, I realized it was easily lost.

More than anything you pointed out my need to make that sentence more visible.

I was responding to the OP, and you happened to post while I was typing.

I was questioning the rules as quoted by the OP

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Torrent of fire does wonders for taking out meltaguns etc. Dont mock the power of the flashlight!

If those orders also work on hotshot lasguns, then marines are a little more concerned...

I too await this with baited breath, given that when we initially saw this rule in the IG codex it was rather tasty, but it then got quickly ret-conned that hot shot lasguns, were not lasguns for the purposes of this order. Maybe they've had a change of heart? If so then stomies/scions at BS4 are going to be the bane of marines everywhere

RSM Schlierkamp wrote:
Maybe they've had a change of heart? If so then stomies/scions at BS4 are going to be the bane of marines everywhere

It's mentioned in mini-White Dwarf #9 that FRF-SRF will indeed work on Hotshots in the new Codex...

granted the ability to make precision shots, not all their shots automatically can be allocated.