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This came up in a recent game - when a Tyranid Trygon deploys via deepstrike, you are instructed to place a marker in the center of the spot it emerged, to represent the tunnel created by the Trygon. Subsequent units arriving from reserve can enter from the Trygon tunnel, by "placing the models on the table within 6" of the center of the marker" (Codex Tyranids page 55).

So my question is, what if the Trygon is still sitting on the marker? This would be a pretty common occurrence, since it cannot move any further in the turn it arrives, and is more likely to then shoot rather than run. Now, RAW would imply that the models can be placed, as there is nothing to indicate they are actually moving through the Trygon to get onto the table, but it's been argued to me that the deployment is similar to that of a vehicle access point or a table edge - the model should be placed at the centre and moved up to 6", as if "moving on" from the tunnel. In this situation the tunnel cannot be used, as the models would have to move "through" the Trygon. Has anyone else run into this? Does anyone have an opinion or know if this has come up before?

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RAW, if the book describes the deep striking unit as arriving within 6" of the marker, I don't think it would matter if the Trygon is on it. But if there was no room for the entire unit within the 6" because of the Trygon and other interfering units etc. then they wouldn't be able to be placed.

I think a more interesting question is: what if someone parks a land raider over the marker? Are they still able to deploy? I'd still assume yes from RAW. RAI, honestly who knows. It could play both ways that the deep striking units sort of flood around the trygon or whatever else is on the hole, or maybe the entire 6" radius is loosened ground so they can come up anywhere in that area.

Yes, you can deploy as long as you stay 1" away from the Trygon, treating it as disembarking from a vehicle has no rules support.

What I've heard is that if an enemy unit or by whatever means really, encircles the "hole" marker then units couldn't use that as a spawn point (or if they do they have to remove ALL models that don't fit - they just die.) which if that's the case it makes me wonder.

When it says you can place the models within 6" of a "suitable marker"......what does this mean? A suitable marker to me for the Trygon's hole should be the small blast template but I don't know. Haven't used him but do want to know since I'd like to work the TGP in my list.

 digital-animal wrote:
What I've heard is that if an enemy unit or by whatever means really, encircles the "hole" marker then units couldn't use that as a spawn point (or if they do they have to remove ALL models that don't fit - they just die.) which if that's the case it makes me wonder.

That rule does not exist.

When it says you can place the models within 6" of a "suitable marker"......what does this mean? A suitable marker to me for the Trygon's hole should be the small blast template but I don't know. Haven't used him but do want to know since I'd like to work the TGP in my list.

Any marker with a clearly defined centre is suitable.

I was trying to think of the name of it but I was referring the rule in subterranean assault that says that any model that doesn't fit wholly within the 6" would be removed so maybe that answers the question about units surrounding it.

Also - just had an idea of a Hive Tyrant who's flown off the table re-arriving his next turn through a Trygon hole. Might be funny!

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes, you can deploy as long as you stay 1" away from the Trygon, treating it as disembarking from a vehicle has no rules support.

You have to stay 1" away from enemy models and outside of impassable terrain so the artriving unit could be within base contact with the Trygon.

 digital-animal wrote:
Also - just had an idea of a Hive Tyrant who's flown off the table re-arriving his next turn through a Trygon hole. Might be funny!

Infantry only.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes, you can deploy as long as you stay 1" away from the Trygon, treating it as disembarking from a vehicle has no rules support.

Neither does the underlined. It's not an enemy model.

 ColdWind wrote:
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This would be a pretty common occurrence, since it cannot move any further in the turn it arrives, and is more likely to then shoot rather than run.

Ok, if the Trygon just arrived, why are you using it for another infantry unit to move through it? It's the turn after it happens, so this statement to me is a moot point. It doesn't matter since no other minis can come through the tunnel the turn the Trygon does. Or am I missing something here?

If it doesn't move the turn it comes in, Reserves will enter before it can move again.

Happyjew wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes, you can deploy as long as you stay 1" away from the Trygon, treating it as disembarking from a vehicle has no rules support.

You have to stay 1" away from enemy models and outside of impassable terrain so the artriving unit could be within base contact with the Trygon.

rigeld2 wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Yes, you can deploy as long as you stay 1" away from the Trygon, treating it as disembarking from a vehicle has no rules support.

Neither does the underlined. It's not an enemy model.

Shows what I get for answering rules questions late at night.
So, as long as they're wholly within 6" of the centre of the marker and not on the Trygon's base they can be placed there.