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i will be trying playing hordes for the first time this friday, whit my good friend ! yay !
I have not chosen a faction yet, i am still stuck between ( Trollbloods and Circle of Orboros )

I will be playing 25pt army's (proxy ) and, I would like to have a list for both faction.
here is the chalenge:

I don't care what warlock I play, and I don't care what units I play, but i would like to play a list.. that is really ..
- standard for that faction
- gives a good feel of the faction
- it really really doesnt have to be a super strong list. just a really good over-view of the faction playstyle in general.
- I dont care If I play units that are not in any battlebox, or starter set.
- ps: We wont be playing objectives yet

I dont care if a unit that isn't recommended in a real optimized list is suggested (that will never see tournament action) ... there is alot of resource online about what are the best model to buy first for each faction, ( but I have not even chosen a faction :lol: and cant afford choosing both lol )

ps: i will be playing agaist menoth using all the models from the 2 player battle box + a unit of Cinerators (we are both new players) and my number one priority is not to win,
my number one priority is to be able to choose or be close of choosing what faction I want by the end of the day

what i'm thinking so far:
Trollbloods
Warlock : (borka / Doomshaper / or Grissel )
H Beast : Earthborn Dire Troll (10)
L Beast : Troll Impaler (5)
Solo :
Unit :


Circle
Warlock : (Baldur/Kaya2/kromac)
H Beast : Warp wolf Stalker (10) perhaps a construct if i play baldur
L Beast :
Solo :
Unit : Shifting Stones + stone keeper (3)

if you are crazy
and want to continue reading a wall of text about what kind of player i am to ( orient me on one faction or the other
be my guest lol :

Most troll lists are very infantry focused especially madrak. Doomshaper has always seemed very beast oriented. Borka has general all around buffing and his feat benefits both infantry and beasts by extending their charge ranges and boosting his beast's power attacks (specifically throw and slam power attacks).

While alot of troll warlocks seem to prefer infantry, they do not have to use swarms of infantry. Trolls have access to low model count units (6 max) of heavy, veteran infantry called Champions and warders. They are very durable with many hit boxes (most infantry have 1 hit box, champions and warders have 8) and they hit hard with weapon mastered axes and hammers. On top of the hard-as-nails-grind-you-to-death veteran units, they also have several support groups that provide various bonuses to those infantry in addition to some solo units that can also carry a ton of weight such as the Fell Caller solo and the Sons of Bragg (fell callers utilize a type of vocal power that can buff your units, debuff your opponents, or flat out kill your opponents).

Dire Trolls have higher than average Fury statistics, maybe even the highest. Their lowest Fury stat is 4 I believe, and they have several that have 5. This makes them very dangerous but also very difficult to manage if you have several of them especially since troll warlocks generally have below average fury stats and their beast support options are not that great when compared to other factions.

For Circle - they rely more heavily on their beasts for many of their lists. They generally have weaker infantry than trolls, and their ranged game is sorely lacking as well. However, they make up for this by having beasts that are very fast, have many unconventional methods of moving around the battlefield (either by teleporting, shifting after killing models, or being granted extra movement by spells), Kromac is a really good starter warlock that fulfills several roles. First and foremost, he is a support caster who grants some fantastic spells for everything in your army. He can also change from a very strong support caster to a front line beatstick/assassin, basically shapeshifting him into a part beast that lets him jump over his enemies and hack them apart while his feat lets him sacrifice health for fury.

Circle beasts tend to be softer and generally do not hit as hard as other factions, but most of them are more difficult to hit and very fast, allowing them to make hit and run attacks.

It seems either faction would be right up your alley. I can tell you that Kromac will give you the best starting experience for circle. He works very well with his beasts (especially the stalker, and his character wolf - ghetorix) and the models that nearly all circle lists will want to have.

For trolls, Madrak is very infantry focused, doomshaper is very beast focused, Borka supports both beasts and infantry so he will likely give you a good all around experience. I have only used him once, but he seems to want to have a well rounded list that has strong beasts, some solid melee infantry, and maybe a ranged unit to take advantage of all the Kockdown that his units will cause.


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Kromac with the stalker and shifting stones is a solid start for that faction. You will need at least one more beast to keep Kromac's fury filled (circle beasts have low fury stats while their warlocks have generally high fury stats. Complete opposite of trolls). Kromac is fury 7 while the stalker is fury 4 so you will be hard pressed to keep your fury up without another beast. Kromac also makes great use of Tharn Blood trackers which are a very fast, hard to hit, short range unit. They can outflank most armies and pick on solos or just provide a hard to hit skirmisher for front line infantry.