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I really love the land speeder vengeance model and I know that the darkshroud is better but I would really like some help on how to make this unit playable. So far my list had 3 squads of deathwing coming in with belial, I have some bikes with teleport homers just incase the termies want to deepstrike somewhere else, I have a command squad with a banner of devestation and a tac squad, at the backfield I have a mortis contemptor for anti-air. So how does the land speeder vengeance fit in? Do you think it would.
work If I deepstruck the land speeder in and tried to cause some damage?

You.......like the model???? Well I never......

The best bet is to probably start it out of LoS, or deepstrike it if non is available/or there are LoS ignoring tau missiles, and then try as best you can to use its range to the max to prevent any return fire.

You might want to run it alongside other landspeeders, perhaps with a darkshroud to protect your investment.

The thing is about 50 points overcosted however, so don't expect it to earn its points back before an enemy squad looks at it and causes it to combust.
For 15 points less you could have a vindicator, with better armour, more hull points and a stronger pie plate that doesn't pose a serious chance of destroying the vehicle firing it.

I dont have the points to get the shroud though. I was thinking about deepstriking the speeder in from the bikes teleport homer. There would be 3 squads of terminators plus the speeder the opponent would have to deal with. It might just survive, what do you think?

Unfortuneately the Vengeance is rather bad...and I am putting it mildly. If you want to field the model use the rule set of a vindicator. its not fast, but it is cheaper, better armour, more hull points, and more powerful gun.

I would use the darkshroud its just that I only have one bike squad and the black knights. Also I dont know if I am allowed to post my full list up, I might as well get some advice.

Belial w/thunder hammer and storm shield
deathwing command squad w/thss and plasma cannon, apothecary, champ, and banner that guves +1 attack
Command squad w/ banner of devestation all bolters

Mortis contemptor with 2 kheres and cyclone missle

Deathwing 5 man with assault cannon and one storm shield

Same as above

Tac squad all
Bolters

3 ravenwing bikers one plasma gun
3 ravenwing black knights

I still have 120 points what should I do with them?

Ok, I'd lose the command squad. The deathwing banner costs too much for what it does, the apothecary loses his cc potential, and the champion doesn't have the survivability of a TH/SS terminator.
I'd make it another standard terminator squad to give you another scoring unit, or a unit knights, who are more durable for their points cost.

What book are you using for the Mortis contemptor btw? They got nerfed in IA:Volume 2, and are now more expensive. I don't know if you have factored this in or if you are still using the rules from aeronoughtica.

Why devastation banner? It really doesn't synergize well with your list overall. Your terminators will want to get close to the enemy, but your bolters will be all the way back in your deployment, limited by their 12 range salvo weapons if they want to move.

I'd also remove the ravenwing bikers. Without making them scoring units, they are pretty bad. Take another black knights squad instead.

Is the mortis still 215 for the kheres and cyclone?


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What else would you recommend taking besides more terminators I still want to be semi-competitive. So to be clear you are say, get rid of the basic bikes, command squad, and deathwing command squad. My question is what should I replace them with?

My last game my opponent pointed out to me that the teleport homers only work on squads made up entirely of terminators. I didn't read close enough before planning things out with my drop pods.

235 points now I'm afraid, they are also down to BS4 as well.

Oh I am glad you said something. I did not know that


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So what should I replace it with?

You really want to build a list with a tactic in mind. For example, if taking the bolter banner to be used with tac squads, then you are best castling up, as it limits your mobility. If you are castling up then you will want to invest in long range firepower in an attempt to force your opponent to come to you, and thereby walk into bolter range. What you have at the moment is a list where half the army wants to jump in, and the other wants to hang back in deployment.

Mortis contemptors as still ok, they are just not as great as they once were.

Swap the command squad with knights or another terminator squad (that is, if you like terminators. Whole armies of them are not competitive).
Swap basic ravenwing bikers for Black knights (becaue they are awesome, and a plasmagunner bike is the same cost, for much less).

So I will get rid of the command squads here is the list now:

Belial w/thss

Deathwing knights
Mortis with kheres and cyclone

5 man deathwing with assault cannon and thss
Same as above
Tac squad 10 man melta, missle in a drop pod

Ravenwing black knights
Ravenwing black knights
Darkshroud

That leaves me with about 200 points


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Btw I dont even know if I want to swap the deathwing command squad out for more deathwing. Desthwing are not competitive, maybe 2 squads will do

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
235 points now I'm afraid, they are also down to BS4 as well.

Uhh, they are still 215 for the 2x Kheres and CML.

EDIT: I've heard a few things, looking it up right now...

Really? That would be great

Ugh, without having the newest book, it looks like the mortis are 20pts more expensive. Trying to decide if it's worth keeping the Mortis in now that they are only 5pts less than a redeemer.

Normal ones can't buy BS5 anymore, 20pts more espensive... sigh.

Ya I know what you mean, what do you think of my army list btw?

Honestly, if you want to be competitive, the best bet would be to add more bikes and get either Sammael or Azrael instead of Belial.

The downside of being Ravenwing now, though, is that Codex: Space Marines can do the same, but better, especially if they are White Scars.

What kind of bikes?

The Black Knights are probably your best bike if you are going to stick with the termies and tacs as your troops. The Plasma will let you deal with a large variety of targets, and the Corvus hammers are pretty wicked in combat.

So here it is now,

Belial w/thss

Deathwing knights w/ land raider crusader
Mortis with kheres and cyclone

5 man deathwing with assault cannon and thss
Same as above
Tac squad 10 man plasma, missle in a rhino

Ravenwing black knights
Ravenwing black knights
Darkshroud


So I am not sure about getting the land raider, also I dont kniw what to do with the mortis. It is great for anti- aur which da lack but my whole army would be moving up and he would just stay in my deployment zone. What do you think?