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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 11:58:32
Subject: Low Flyers
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I'm new to 40k and recently played a friendly game where we came across something we were not sure of, how would you play this?
Basically my Heldrake came in from reserves and I wanted to fly it into a spot between terrain and an enemy vehicle. It was quite a tight spot but the base could fit and there were no enemy units within an inch of the base.
Unfortunately the Heldrake has very long wings which ended up within an inch of an enemy vehicle...
Now, does the below rule for fliers negate the main rule for the model being an inch away? Could it have even been touching? Or do you continue to follow the standard rules for the hull being an inch away as well as the base.
Models that physically fit under a Flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end its move over such models.
However, when moving this way, enemy models must still remain I " away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move with its base within l" of other enemy models.
Thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:03:59
Subject: Low Flyers
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Kelne
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The heldrake's hull still counts, as nothing says it doesn't in the flyer rules
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:09:50
Subject: Low Flyers
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Bob has it. If you cannot place it without the hull or base being within 1" then you have a problem.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:23:36
Subject: Re:Low Flyers
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Thanks guys
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 13:25:54
Subject: Low Flyers
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The movement under Flyers rules state you can move under a flyer so long as you stay at least 1 inch away from the base and you fit under the model. Nowhere does it say you must also be more than an inch from the hull in that section. It is one of the few cases where the base of a flyer is considered rather than the hull.
I don't have my rulebook with me so I can't lookup the exact page number, but those are the only two conditions given for being able to move under a flyer (FAQ extends this to FMCs as well.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 14:01:10
Subject: Low Flyers
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Fresh-Faced New User
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FlyerMM wrote:The movement under Flyers rules state you can move under a flyer so long as you stay at least 1 inch away from the base and you fit under the model. Nowhere does it say you must also be more than an inch from the hull in that section. It is one of the few cases where the base of a flyer is considered rather than the hull.
I don't have my rulebook with me so I can't lookup the exact page number, but those are the only two conditions given for being able to move under a flyer ( FAQ extends this to FMCs as well.)
This is where our confusion came, the fact it explicitly states if a model can physically fit beneath the flyer then its fine as long as its an inch away from the base. There is a difference between physically fitting and staying an inch away from the hull...
Any more opinions?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/07 14:17:13
Subject: Low Flyers
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Minneapolis, MN
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By virtue of it being a vehicle, you also must stay 1" away from it's hull. BRB specifically mentions that you measure everything from a flyer's hull. Fliers have the additional rule that you can move underneath them unimpeded if the model can actually physically fit underneath them, but that a model can't end it's movement phase on the flyer's base.
The Heldrake's droopy wings are both a blessing and a curse in this regard. In the OP's case, they can limit your movement options... but the flip side of that is you can use the wings to block your opponent's movements, as well as getting the hull within 3" of an objective at the end of a game (e.g., in the scouring, where the heldrake is a scoring unit).
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/04/07 14:17:41
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