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Hello everyone, I've just come back from a looong break and would like to get into competitive tournaments once again with my Eldars.

Basically my aim is to be as much competitive as possible, though I would avoid using Seer council on jetbikes (personal choice).

Anyway, here's my list:

Farseer – 135 pts.
- Eldar jetbike
- Spirit stone of Anath’lan
- Singing spear

Farseer – 115 pts.
- Eldar jetbike

Windrider Jetbike Squad – 122 pts.
- 6 Windrider Guardians
- 2 shuriken cannons

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

7 Warp Spiders – 133 pts.

7 Warp Spiders – 133 pts.

Wraithknight – 240 pts.

Wraithknight – 240 pts.

Total: 1748

I don't really know if this is a 'common' list in tournaments, I got a general idea by only looking around at other lists.

Any tip is very appreciated, thank you all in advance

This is a fairly common list, but it should serve you very well. I would try to include more Wave Serpents but that is difficult in a list with 2 Wraithknights.

What are you doing with the two Farseers? I would consider dropping one for a third squad of Warp Spiders.

Yeah, the list is solid. Two seers might indeed be overkill, but it depends.

Well, I thought two Farseers would perform better in supporting my Wraithknights, that's it. Also, I assume from general opinion that I would get more from two Wraithknights than a single one, in terms of performance (from here the choice of two Farseers). Should I maybe drop 1 of each in favour of a 4th Wave Serpent - Dire Avenger squad?

I'd say too many Knights(480 points, youch), definitely dump one for a 4th Spam Serpent. I'd also say if you intend to keep two Farseers (which isn't entirely a bad choice, still effective) get a second team of Bikes to protect them. Otherwise dump the second Farseer for more Spiders.

Thank you all guys for your replies

...So it would look something like this:

Farseer – 130 pts.
- Eldar jetbike
- Spirit stone of Anath’lan

Windrider Jetbike Squad – 122 pts.
- 6 Windrider Guardians
- 2 shuriken cannons

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

Wave Serpent – 145 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser
- Shuriken cannon

8 Warp Spiders – 152 pts.

7 Warp Spiders – 133 pts.

7 Warp Spiders – 133 pts.

Wraithknight – 240 pts.

Total: 1750

It seems very solid to me, but yeah I'm lacking a bit of experience right now so I don't matter

I personally don't like the Spirit Stone. It's not worth it when you have to lose your invulnerable save and most of the time, you don't have a 2 WC power you want to cast. For the same points, get runes of witnessing. You hardly ever fail you psychic test, but for those times you do, a single re-roll is well worth it.

I prefer the Wraithknight over the 3rd squad of spiders. 4 Serpents is a good number.

My preference would be to give the farseer the mantle, and split the Jetbikes into two 3-man squads.

If you going to run a jetbike farseer he really needs the mantle of the laughing god. Without it you are almost guaranteed to give up warlord every game. Wraithkinghts are sort of like Imperial Knights where one is not that hard to handle but two is difficult to deal with for most lists. Sort of a go all in or not at all. Least that's been my experience with them so far.

I would also split up the jetbikes into 2 small units without upgrades.

Well, the only way to have both the 2nd second wraithknight and the 4th wave serpent/avengers is to reduce warp spiders in number and take off shuriken cannons from serpents, resulting in:

Farseer – 120 pts.
- Eldar jetbike
- Singing Spear

Windrider Jetbike Squad – 61 pts.
- 3 Windrider Guardians
- 1 shuriken cannon

Windrider Jetbike Squad – 61 pts.
- 3 Windrider Guardians
- 1 shuriken cannon

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

5 Dire Avengers – 65 pts.

Wave Serpent – 135 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser

Wave Serpent – 135 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser

Wave Serpent – 135 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser

Wave Serpent – 135 pts.
- Holo-fields
- Twin-linked scatter laser

6 Warp Spiders – 114 pts.

6 Warp Spiders – 114 pts.

Wraithknight – 240 pts.

Wraithknight – 240 pts.

Total: 1750

hmm I think taking 4 min squads of dire avengers in wave serpents is a little bit unsportsmanlike/cheesy but that's me.. it is a tourney... so lets move past that.. :-) I would definitely NOT take the canons on the bikes when you have not got them on the wave Serpents (the best wave serpent build by far is SL SC and HF) I also would contemplate dropping warp spiders by two and putting them in one squad.. squads of ten are very hard to beat (they kill anything *a*n*y*t*h*i*n*g* not AV14 in one go and jump away) but then I always took 2x10 so that's maybe why it worked.. also try to take the mantle for the farseer.. if you take the 58 points from the 2 warp spiders and the jetbike canons give you then you have enough for 4 canons (one on each serpent) then you need 22 points from somewhere to get the mantle, I would maybe therefore drop the spear and drop a warp spider maybe - but it's less than ideal so it's entirely up to you.. you could drop the 2nd jet bike squad, re-instate the shuicanon on the other one and keep everything else nice and chipper!

ConanMan wrote:
hmm I think taking 4 min squads of dire avengers in wave serpents is a little bit unsportsmanlike/cheesy but that's me.. it is a tourney... so lets move past that.. :-) I would definitely NOT take the canons on the bikes when you have not got them on the wave Serpents (the best wave serpent build by far is SL SC and HF) I also would contemplate dropping warp spiders by two and putting them in one squad.. squads of ten are very hard to beat (they kill anything *a*n*y*t*h*i*n*g* not AV14 in one go and jump away) but then I always took 2x10 so that's maybe why it worked.. also try to take the mantle for the farseer.. if you take the 58 points from the 2 warp spiders and the jetbike canons give you then you have enough for 4 canons (one on each serpent) then you need 22 points from somewhere to get the mantle, I would maybe therefore drop the spear and drop a warp spider maybe - but it's less than ideal so it's entirely up to you.. you could drop the 2nd jet bike squad, re-instate the shuicanon on the other one and keep everything else nice and chipper!

Stupid question, isn't it possible to make the Farseer join a jetbike guardians squad with mantle of the laughing god, As it loses IC rule ?(don't remember well about this subject tbh).

If you take the Mantle than the Farseer is no longer an Independent Character and can no longer join squads. Min squad jetbike squads are supposed to hide from the enemy. Your farseer on the other hand should be flying around casting powers and trying to be a nuance. You should not try to combine these things.

I think you at the point of list building where you need to start playing games with it and tweaking the list to fit your play style. For example people swear by the cannon upgrade but I never take it. I'd much rather spend the points on a ghostwalk matrix or spirit stones. These are thing you need to figure out for yourself but the core idea of your list is solid. The only thing I think you really need to add is the Mantle.

Ok, tyvm, I have a much clearer idea now

I would trade a wraithknight for a for prism and use the hundred points on a mantle for farseer and more spiders. Or mantle for farseer and a crimson hunter

I think you should keep 2nd knight. As someone said above me, i can be dealt with, but two is so much harder

Right now, in order to get the mantle on farseer and still a decent number of warp spiders, the only way I've found is dropping both the 2 jetbike guardian squads.

Now I can include 7x2 warp spiders and shuriken cannon on all wave serpents, but only 5x4 dire avengers as troops. Do you guys think I have few troops?

Theres a point where you get to few troops and to much fire power, but its up to you to determine that. At this point any advise to be offered will ust be an opinion, and nearly everyone on here has differing opinions. Go try the list out, and see how it works

Honestly I would never run a eldar list without at least 2 min groups of jet bikes, they are great late game object give grabbers and ridiculously fast. I can't count the number of games they have turned a loss into a win by contesting an objective last turn or scoring a abandoned or empty objective

Ok then, I have the core so I just need to test it over and over and see what minor changes to do... thanks for your help guys ^^