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So i take Draigo and GK as my primary detachment. LotD are battle brothers - can I make the unit score? If I can what happens at a tournament where I have to take them as part od an allied detachment of SM because they are not allowed as a separate detachment. Wou;ld they still be scoring? They do not follow chapter tactiocs of the SM allies and they are Battle Bros. to GK. Seems twisted if they are not scoring.

If the are taken from a troops selection of the Force org chart they are scoring. This goes for Battle Brothers and Allies of convenience.

 DeathReaper wrote:
If the are taken from a troops selection of the Force org chart they are scoring. This goes for Battle Brothers, Allies of convenience and desperate allies.

Troops from AoC and DA allies cannot control objectives.

To the OP, the LoTD as allies do not score as they are Elites. Their codex states they may only score if taken as primary. You would need to take the GK as allies instead.

coredump wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
If the are taken from a troops selection of the Force org chart they are scoring. This goes for Battle Brothers, Allies of convenience and desperate allies.

Troops from AoC and DA allies cannot control objectives.

Allies of convenience can control objectives...

This is because you count objectives at the end of the game not your units.

Your units treat them as enemy units, but you do not...

Also there is an FAQ stating that Allies of convenience can control objectives (Though it was not needed as the rules are clear here).

Edited.

coredump wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
If the are taken from a troops selection of the Force org chart they are scoring. This goes for Battle Brothers, Allies of convenience and desperate allies.

Troops from AoC and DA allies cannot control objectives.

The FAQ disagrees with you.

Page 112 – Allies of Convenience
Change the second paragraph to read “Units in your army
treat Allies of Convenience as enemy units that cannot be
charged, shot, targeted with psychic powers or have
templates or blast markers placed over them. However, if a
psychic power, scattering Blast weapon or other ability that
affects an area hits some of these Allies of Convenience, they
will be affected along with any friendly or enemy units. Note
that Allies of Convenience units are treated as ‘friendly
units’ for the purpose of controlling and denying Objectives,
and for the purpose of pile-in moves in Close Combat. This
means that, for example…etc


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 DeathReaper wrote:

coredump wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
If the are taken from a troops selection of the Force org chart they are scoring. This goes for Battle Brothers, Allies of convenience and desperate allies.

Troops from AoC and DA allies cannot control objectives.

Allies of convenience and desperate allies can both control objectives...

This is because you count objectives at the end of the game not your units.

Your units treat them as enemy units, but you do not...

Also there is an FAQ stating that Allies of convenience and desperate allies can both control objectives (Though it was not needed as the rules are clear here).

The rules for Desperate Allies disagrees with you.

Look - that was not the question I asked. Grand Strategy allows a Grand Master to make non-scoring troops scoring. As GK and LotD are battle brothers I'm assuming he could make LotD scoring. This is a scenario where GK are the primary detachment.

However he cannot use any powers on Spave Marines. So if the LotD wee used from the Space Marine codex (which you can) and reading the SM coex they do not take on chapter tactics - are they still battle brothers - space marines are not - and can you still make them scoring .

I would think you could use Grand Strategy on the LOTD unit as there isnt any restrictive wording in the text of the ability that applies to any type of Alliance level from 6th edition

Probably because the GK codex is 5th, but I'd say you could Grand Strategy the LOTD

Mainly because its not a psychic power, its just a trait

 felixcat wrote:

Look - that was not the question I asked. Grand Strategy allows a Grand Master to make non-scoring troops scoring. As GK and LotD are battle brothers I'm assuming he could make LotD scoring. This is a scenario where GK are the primary detachment.

However he cannot use any powers on Spave Marines. So if the LotD wee used from the Space Marine codex (which you can) and reading the SM coex they do not take on chapter tactics - are they still battle brothers - space marines are not - and can you still make them scoring .

LotD do not benefit from chapter tactics, however they are still from Codex : Space Marines and they are still part of the chapter you choose (but without any of the benefits of the chapter). So, if Space Marines are not battle brothers, why would LotD (Chosen from C:SM and therefore part of C:SM) be different?

Can Grand Strategy allow you to make your allied LotD scoring? For now, I believe so as it simply tells you to pick D3 infantry units in "your army" and does not specifiy "from Codex : GK" like most of the new(er) codex's do. level of allegiance does not seem to matter here, unless we're talking Come the Apocalypse and therefore unable to ally at all.

I thought as much. So I will only be able to make them scoring if an extra attachment is allowed at a tournament -
Now I have GK as my primary and SM as my allied. The LotD are outside of this FoC so I take them as a third detachment. But some tournaments frown on this so in that case I guess they will not be scoring.
Also BA Sang Priests never confer abilities. This was FaQed. So it is iffy to say the least.

 Happyjew wrote:


The rules for Desperate Allies disagrees with you.

Thats right, units in a Desperate Allies detachment are non scoring non denial. forgot about that, but Allies of convenience can control objectives.

Changed my earlier post to reflect this.

Rorschach9 wrote:

 felixcat wrote:

Look - that was not the question I asked. Grand Strategy allows a Grand Master to make non-scoring troops scoring. As GK and LotD are battle brothers I'm assuming he could make LotD scoring. This is a scenario where GK are the primary detachment.

However he cannot use any powers on Spave Marines. So if the LotD wee used from the Space Marine codex (which you can) and reading the SM coex they do not take on chapter tactics - are they still battle brothers - space marines are not - and can you still make them scoring .

LotD do not benefit from chapter tactics, however they are still from Codex : Space Marines and they are still part of the chapter you choose (but without any of the benefits of the chapter). So, if Space Marines are not battle brothers, why would LotD (Chosen from C:SM and therefore part of C:SM) be different?

Can Grand Strategy allow you to make your allied LotD scoring? For now, I believe so as it simply tells you to pick D3 infantry units in "your army" and does not specifiy "from Codex : GK" like most of the new(er) codex's do. level of allegiance does not seem to matter here, unless we're talking Come the Apocalypse and therefore unable to ally at all.

If you use LotD from their own ecodex they got recently they are BB with the GKs

 CrashCanuck wrote:

Rorschach9 wrote:

 felixcat wrote:

Look - that was not the question I asked. Grand Strategy allows a Grand Master to make non-scoring troops scoring. As GK and LotD are battle brothers I'm assuming he could make LotD scoring. This is a scenario where GK are the primary detachment.

However he cannot use any powers on Spave Marines. So if the LotD wee used from the Space Marine codex (which you can) and reading the SM coex they do not take on chapter tactics - are they still battle brothers - space marines are not - and can you still make them scoring .

LotD do not benefit from chapter tactics, however they are still from Codex : Space Marines and they are still part of the chapter you choose (but without any of the benefits of the chapter). So, if Space Marines are not battle brothers, why would LotD (Chosen from C:SM and therefore part of C:SM) be different?

Can Grand Strategy allow you to make your allied LotD scoring? For now, I believe so as it simply tells you to pick D3 infantry units in "your army" and does not specifiy "from Codex : GK" like most of the new(er) codex's do. level of allegiance does not seem to matter here, unless we're talking Come the Apocalypse and therefore unable to ally at all.

If you use LotD from their own ecodex they got recently they are BB with the GKs

Right, but he was asking (above in the quote there) about LotD from C:SM. Either way, Grand Strategy just tells you they need to be (infantry) units in your army in order to be made scoring.