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Illuminor Szeras - a lesser scene Necron IC has the ability before deployment to select 1 unit of warriors or immortals and buff them based on a D3 roll (strength, toughness, or BS boosts).

The rule states "The unit receives one upgrade from the following list ...".

My question is simply this. If a Royal court member joins the unit does it also receives the buff (since RCs count as part of the unit once attached)?

Is so, what about independent characters that join (and remain attached) to the unit?


The Deathmarks' Hunters from Hyperspace rule had an FAQ that stated that it transfers to both (until the IC leaves of course) and thus I am curious if Szeras' ability would as well since both buff the "unit".

Crypteks would benefit from the buff, but lords could only benefit from the BS buff since they're already S5 and T5.

However, it would not benefit IC as it takes place before deployment and thus before the IC can join the unit to receive the buff. Even so, szeras is the only character who could benefit off the strength and toughness buffs. Orikan Empowered would be weakened by it.

 Unholyllama wrote:
The Deathmarks' Hunters from Hyperspace rule had an FAQ that stated that it transfers to both (until the IC leaves of course) and thus I am curious if Szeras' ability would as well since both buff the "unit".

HfH benefits extended to RC members, nothing in the FAQ about ICs.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Unholyllama wrote:
The Deathmarks' Hunters from Hyperspace rule had an FAQ that stated that it transfers to both (until the IC leaves of course) and thus I am curious if Szeras' ability would as well since both buff the "unit".

HfH benefits extended to RC members, nothing in the FAQ about ICs.

Good call.

However, IC rules on BRB 39 do states that when the IC is joined to a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes. Since things like HfH and Szeras' buffs in this case affect the unit (and not more specific), wouldn't the rules that are applied onto the unit carry over to the ICs that join it?


Focusing more on Szeras' ability - it is done prior to deployment and the augmentations it provides exist for the "duration of the game". While most ICs in the Necron codex do not really benefit from anything other than the BS boost, I am still curious that since the augmentation affects the unit, if IC's joining the unit, and becoming part of it for all rules purposes, if they would become affected by such. In my head, this is a similar situation to DE Pain Tokens only not as explicitly addressed.

ICs wouldn't get it.

p39 wrote:Conversely, if a character joins a unit after that unit has been the target of an ongoing effect (or joins a unit after himself having been the target of an ongoing effect) benefits and penalties from that effect are not shared.

rigeld2 wrote:
ICs wouldn't get it.

p39 wrote:Conversely, if a character joins a unit after that unit has been the target of an ongoing effect (or joins a unit after himself having been the target of an ongoing effect) benefits and penalties from that effect are not shared.

Good call. I need to remember to continue rereading sections.

That also explains why HfH would apply (is triggered when deployed) if the IC was joined when the deathmarks hit the table yet not if they joined afterwards or left the unit. Szeras' ability happens before deployment so the effect is already in place.

Thanks

This is a good question. I don't think IC would get the bonus since they join the unit at deployment whereas Royal Court members are apart of the unit.

I think the Royal Court members would get the buff, this is significant because if you have a royal court lord with a warscythe he now gets strength 8 ap1 attacks which will instant death most characters. Still it's unreliable but it would make the occasionally terrible str increase be somewhat useful.

Punisher wrote:
This is a good question. I don't think IC would get the bonus since they join the unit at deployment whereas Royal Court members are apart of the unit.

I think the Royal Court members would get the buff, this is significant because if you have a royal court lord with a warscythe he now gets strength 8 ap1 attacks which will instant death most characters. Still it's unreliable but it would make the occasionally terrible str increase be somewhat useful.

The Necron Lord would gain no benefit from the 'Enhanced Servomotors' result.

Punisher wrote:
This is a good question. I don't think IC would get the bonus since they join the unit at deployment whereas Royal Court members are apart of the unit.

I think the Royal Court members would get the buff, this is significant because if you have a royal court lord with a warscythe he now gets strength 8 ap1 attacks which will instant death most characters. Still it's unreliable but it would make the occasionally terrible str increase be somewhat useful.

As Ghaz said, RC Lords wouldn't get the Strength or Toughness buffs since Szeras' rule is a fixed value modifier (5) and not an adjustment. So the only benefit Necron Lords (from an RC) gain is going from BS4 to BS5...and that is only if you roll the the BS change on the D3 chart.