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So question I just thought about... when a model with monster hunter shoots a D weapon, how much do you re-roll? do you re-roll the initial 2+ to hit? that much is obvious, but do you also roll the die for D3+1 or D6+6?

D weapons do not roll to Wound, nor do they roll armour penetration (in case someone's wondering about the related Tank Hunter rule).

Monster Hunter says you can re-roll your To Wound dice.

As per above, D-weapons roll on their own chart instead of rolling to wound normally

That seems like an absurdly narrow reading of the rules, and I believe that view can be contradicted even on the same page of the rules:

Stronghold Assault, Weapon Rules wrote:
Primary Weapon
When you roll for armour penetration with hits caused by a Primary weapon, roll two dice instead of one and
pick the highest result.

Later in the book is present "Aquilla Macro Cannon", Strength D, Primary Weapon 2.
The vortex missile is Ordnance, which has a similar effect to Primary.

Rule Book wrote:
Tank Hunters
A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule re-rolls failed armour penetration rolls against vehicles ...

Both strength D weapons in this book have abilities which modify their armour penetration rolls. The wording for 'armour penetration rolls' is not significantly different between Tank Hunters and Primary Weapons.
It seems that if Primary Weapon or Ordnance is to have any effect on D weapons, then the destroyer weapon table must indeed count as an armour penetration roll and can be modified by tank hunter: and the same logic would extend to monster hunter also.




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 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So question I just thought about... when a model with monster hunter shoots a D weapon, how much do you re-roll? do you re-roll the initial 2+ to hit? that much is obvious, but do you also roll the die for D3+1 or D6+6?

You would re-roll the initial 2+, but not the second dice.

The Macro cannon itself is a primary weapon, so they keep the rule for the macro shell.

The fact that the rule doesn't do anything is meaningless.

You do not roll to-wound, nor for armour penetration with Str D.

In fact the primary weapon with Str D is even more self-explanatory; Str D either causes a penetrating hit, or destroys the vehicle outright, there is absolutely never anything close to an armour penetration roll.

D weapons do not make to wound rolls and do not make armor penetration rolls, you hit, then you look at their chart and roll a d6 which is neither a wound or armor penetration roll.

It's also worth noting the weapon doesn't have a strength value, its not str D its just a weapon with the destroyer effect.

@Trasvi: There are several weapons, notably on Baneblade-variants, that have a Str value and are type Primary Weapon. The instructions about rolling two dice for armour pen are for those weapons, but, as several have mentioned, would have no effect on Primary D Weapons.

Elric,
I feel a better example of what you are saying would be the Macro-Cannon Aquila Strongpoint, the very same building that Trasvi used for his example. This is because it has not one but two default weapon profiles, it also has access to a 'Quake Shell' which is a Primary Weapon. This strangely unmentioned Primary Weapon profile is not a Destroyer weapon, it is nothing more then a Mega Blast marker and is often used in the examples provided to us about how we go resolving the three Strength Values it has. The instructions for resolving a weapon with this Tri-Ringed Blast Marker state to resolve hits against Vehicles against the Side Armour, so you would follow the normal process for a hit against a Vehicles Side Armour and trigger the Primary Weapon conditions while doing so.

@Elric
Obviously the S9/10 Primary weapons work as expected.
I'm just baffled as to why there would be so many S D primary weapons if in fact Primary cannot interact with strength D.

Aquilla Macro cannon has 2 profiles, 1 of which is Primary/D
Vortex Missile is Ordnance/D.
If Primary/Ordnance does not interact with strength D, both of those could have been Heavy instead.

Other Primary/D weapons:
Volcano Cannon (Shadowsword)
Turbo-laser Destructor (Thunderhawk)
Wave of Withering (Tesseract Vault/C'tan)
Pulsar (revenant titan)

Are all of these just mistakenly labeled as primary when they should really be heavy?

Probably hold-overs. Primary weapon had an entirely different rule in the past few editions when super heavies had the possibility of weapon destroyed results(Primary weapon then gave you a 4+ to ignore the Weapon destroyed result).

For the Fortifications; they have 2 profiles, so maintaining "Primary Weapon" on both make sense in keeping the weapon the same no matter what bullet is being fired.

For the Shadowsword, Thunderhawk, Tesseract/c'tan; it is mostly in keeping with the mounting.

The revenant makes no sense at all since the Primary Weapon does not do anything for either weapon options.

In the past there has been Model related Rules which have 0% chance of being evoked or useful in anyway if it can be evoked. The reason they where included on these Models was simply because the 'trend/flavour' of the Model required it. It doesn't matter that the rule has no purpose on that Model, all that mattered is the Author decided that X had to be X because everything else like it has/is X. The most common that comes quickly to mind is Battle Focus, which every living Eldar seems to have even if they are not part of a unit that can actually use it.

There is a chance that 'massively huge' weapons are always going to be given Primary Weapon status, as every other 'massively huge' weapon is likely to be Primary.

I agree with JinxDragon's analysis of it.

Although another possibility is that the Primary Weapon rule meant one thing at the time that they were building out those units. Then the rule was later changed and no one felt the need to go back and remove it from places that it didn't apply. That sort of thing happens a lot when under time constraints.

or lack a dedicated editorial team....
Honestly I have to wonder if I will ever get bored of making fun of their editorial staff.